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嗨,大家好,我们只是通过时域选项获得N9923A VNA。
我发现这个选项非常有趣,我试图用它来匹配916MHz的某些芯片天线的Z. 我按照安捷伦的视频介绍,如何使用TD选项激活FFT消除不良电缆,连接器等的影响,然后在最后一个开放电缆效应之间设置门控时间,将其连接到天线馈电点 天线峰值后的“第一个最小值或最小值”。 我调整了速度因子(因为我没有所用电缆的特性)来适应VNA报告的距离以及电缆,连接器等尺寸的实际测量。然后取消激活FFT并让门 接通,并使用3个标记M1(902MHz),M2(916MHz)和M3(932MHz)测量频带之间的史密斯圆图(以及对数格式的回波损耗)中的Z,以覆盖中心和完整的频率带。 我希望有人使用这个选项让我知道我正在做什么是正确的,如果我应该得到相同的结果,就好像我按照要求的“单一”Open或Short方法校准仪器一样 在此校准方法期间通过仪器。 提前感谢EGCEdited:EGC于2012年12月28日晚上7:30 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi Guys, We just get a N9923A VNA with the time Domain option. I found this option very interesting and I'm trying to use it to match the Z of some chip antenna at 916MHz. I follow the video introduction of Agilent about how to eliminate the effect of bad cable, connectors, etc using the TD option activating the FFT and then seting the Gate time betwen the last open cable effect just where it will be connected to the antenna feeding point and "the first minimum or valey" after the peak from my antenna. I adjusted the Velocity Factor (because I do not have the characteristics for the cable used) to fit the distance reported by the VNA with the real measuring of the dimensions of the cable, connector etc. Then de-activate the FFT and let the Gate ON, and measure the Z in the Smith Chart (And Return Loss in Log format) between the frequency band using 3 markers M1 at 902MHz, M2 at 916MHz and M3 at 932MHz to cover the center and complete freq band. I would like for someone who had used this option to let me know if what I'm doing is right and if I'm supposed to have the same results as if I calibrate the instrument with a "single" Open or Short method as requested by the instrument during this calibration method. Thanks in advance EGC Edited by: EGC on Dec 28, 2012 7:30 PM |
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听起来你在做它本质上是正确的。
您可以通过使用电缆和已知或控制良好的不匹配进行实验来确认这一点。 校准测试端口并测量不匹配。 将其保存到内存中。 然后添加一根电缆,进行时域选通技巧,并重新测量和比较。 通常门控结果更好,但这是因为电缆的损耗和失配损耗人为地降低了显示的回波损耗。 效果也可以得到补偿,但这样做有点棘手。 您可以在本书的第4章和第5章中阅读更多细节(不要过度鞭打它,但我给出了一些非常具体的时间门控示例,掩盖了补偿):http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/ productCd-1119979552.html 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sounds like you are doing it essentially correct. You can always confirm this by making an experment with a cable and a known or well controlled mismatch. Calibrate at the test port and measure the mismatch. Save it to memory. Then add a cable, do the the time domain gating trick, and re-measure and compare. Usually the gated results are better, but this is because the loss of the cable and mismatch loss artificially lower the displayed return loss. The effects can also be compensated for, but it is a little more tricky to do. You can read more details in chapters 4 and 5 of this book (not to overly flog it, but I gave some very specific examples of time gating, masking an compensation): http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1119979552.html |
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非常感谢Dunsmore博士,你的boook将于2013年1月2日到货。我有另一个问题,为什么使用时域和频域获得的Z的“值”差异以及反应部分的“单位” (复杂的)阻抗? 我的N9923A正常地将Z复数值(欧姆)转换为pf或nH,具体取决于复数的符号,而不是当我使用时域时的“单位”。 非常感谢您的快速回复。 祝新年快乐!!!! EGC 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Thank you very much Dr. Dunsmore, Your boook will arrive on Jan 2nd 2013. I have another question, why the difference in the "value" for Z obtained using the Time and Frequency Domain as well as the "units" for the reactive part (complex) of the Impedance? My N9923A normaly convert the Z complex value (ohms) to pf or nH depending of the sign of the complex number, not the same "units" when I'm using the Time Domain. Thank you very much for your quick response. Have a Happy New Year!!!! EGC |
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frzzing 发表于 2019-4-25 19:22 答案非常基础:只有频域具有复阻抗和电阻和电抗部分的概念。 在时域中,一切都是纯粹的表现形式。 因此,阻抗只能具有随着线下距离(时间)而变化的实际值。 传输线的每个差分片(非常小的片段中的差分,一个接一个,如有差异,而不是平衡的差分)表示可以逐个改变的真实阻抗。 只有当整个timedoman表示被转换到频域时,表示才会采用复杂的值。 例如,在时域中,电容实际上呈现电压与时间的指数衰减。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The answer is very fundamental: Only the frequency domain has the concept of complex impedance and resistive and reactive parts. In the time domain, everything is pure real for representation. Thus, the impedance can only have real values which varies as a function of distances (time) down the line. Each differential piece of the transmission line (differential in the sense of very small pieces, one after another, like finited differences, not differential as in balanced) represents a real impedance that can change piece by piece. It is only when the entire timedoman representation is transformed to the frequency domain that the representation takes on complex values. In the time domain, for example, a capacitance actually takes on an exponential decay of voltage vs. time. |
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啊,现在我明白了你的观点。
您可能将时域模式设置为“带通”而不是“低通”带通模式对于许多事情很有用,例如滤波器调谐和窄带中的故障定位,但是解释带通结果除了 故障位置非常复杂。 带通模式不代表网络的正常域域响应,也就是说,它与TDR图无关。 要在时间doman中解释阻抗值,必须降低低通步进模式。 你可以在Fieldfox的转换菜单下更改模式。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Ah, now I see your point. You probably have the time domain mode set to " band pass" rather than "Low Pass" Band pass mode is useful for many things, such as filter tuning and fault location in a narrow band, but interpreting the band pass results for anything other than fault location is very complex. Bandpass mode does not represent the normal tme domain response of a network, that is, it is not related to a TDR plot. To interpret the impedance values in time doman, you must low the low-pass step mode. lYou can change the mode under the transform menu of the Fieldfox. |
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脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-4-25 19:54 嗨,Dunsmore博士,非常感谢您的支持。 最诚挚的问候EGC 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi Dr. Dunsmore, Thank you very much for your support. Best Regards EGC |
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