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在我的应用程序中,我理想地将几个“同时”接收器相位测量值进行比率,但我无法这样做,因为我感兴趣的相位信号处于不同的频率,我无法独立调谐N5242A中的接收器
(选项10/80/83/400/419/423)在单次扫描期间。 在读到PNA的这个特定模型能够进行相干单通道相位测量之后,我认为有可能在几个扫描的每个感兴趣的频率上进行非比例接收器相位测量,然后将它们进行比率。 作为验证这些非比例测量的行为与我预期的相符或认为他们应该比较使用比例和非比例测量来测量非频率转换设备的群延迟的结果的方法。 第一个测量只包括从某个感兴趣的频段的S21测量中推导出设备的群延迟。 在第二次测量中,我使用N5242A产生双音激励,在设备的输入端具有固定的频率间隔(远大于N5242A的IF BW),然后扫过相同的感兴趣频段。 使用非比例接收机测量,在设备的输出端测量每个音调的相位,具有独立的扫描。 然后使用非比例测量的相位差和两个音调的频率分离来近似群延迟。 由此产生的群体延迟不匹配。 这些测量结果是否会产生类似的结果,或者我对相干单通道相位测量的含义存在一些误解? 感谢您的时间。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 In my application I would ideally ratio several "simultaneous" receiver phase measurements, but I am unable to do so because the signals whose phases I am interested in are at different frequencies and I do not have the ability to independently tune the receivers in the N5242A (Opt. 10/80/83/400/419/423) during a single sweep. After reading that this particular model of PNA has the ability to make coherent single-channel phase measurements I thought it might be possible to make unratioed receiver phase measurements at each frequency of interest over several sweeps and then ratio them afterwards. As a way to verify that these unratioed measurements behave as I expected them to or thought they should I decided to compare the results from measuring the group delay of a non-frequency translating device using ratioed and unratioed measurements. The first measurement just consisted of deriving the device's group delay from an S21 measurement across some band of interest. In the second measurement I used the N5242A to generate a two tone stimulus with a fixed frequency separation (much larger than the IF BW of the N5242A) at the device's input that was then swept across the same band of interest. The phase of each tone was measured at the output of the device with independent sweeps using unratioed receiver measurements. Group delay was then approximated using the phase difference of the unratioed measurements and the frequency separation of the two tones. The resulting group delays did not match. Should these measurements have yielded similar results or do I have some misunderstanding as to what is meant by coherent single-channel phase measurements? Thank you for your time. |
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相干相位测量方法仅适用于较新固件中的选项083,在测量级别SMC + Phase下。
你说输入和输出是不同的频率,这意味着变频器,或类似的。 如果是这样,SMC + Phase专为此应用而设计,并且已被广泛用于查找这些器件的群延迟和相位线性度。 如果您需要临时许可证才能使用它,请联系jvall,他可以帮您解决问题。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The coherent phase measurment method is only available in the option 083 in newer firmware, under the measuerment class SMC+Phase. You say the input and output are at different frequencies which implies a frequency converter, or similar. If so, the SMC+Phase is designed exactly for this application, and has been used extensively to find group delay, and phase linearity of these devices. If you need a temporary license to use it, contact jvall, he can sort you out. |
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脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-3-15 20:00 我有选项83和最新固件(A.09.80.03)。 我猜测在SMC + Phase下OPwr测量的阶段是我将主要感兴趣的。我确实试图找到一个器件的群延迟,这可以比作一个具有扫频RF / LO和固定IF的混频器 。 如果可能的话,我可以离线讨论我的特定应用程序,看看我想要完成的工作是否可行? 谢谢。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I do have option 83 and the latest firmware (A.09.80.03). I am guessing the phase of the OPwr measurement under SMC+Phase is what I will be mainly interested in. I am indeed trying to find the group delay of a device, which could be likened to a mixer with swept RF/LO and fixed IF. If possible, could I discuss my particular application with you offline to see if what I am trying to accomplish is even possible? Thank you. |
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wuli北 发表于 2019-3-15 20:14 如果您愿意,可以发送电子邮件至joel_dunsmore@agilent.com。 您使用的是Agilent AE吗? 他们通常都接受过这种应用的培训。 此外,您说您的设备扫描RF / LO和固定IF。 这通常意味着两件事之一:1)信道化接收器,具有一定频率跨度的RF信道,转换为具有相同跨度的单个中心频率IF。 通过改变(步进)LO频率来改变RF信道的中心。 在这种情况下,这应该更准确地称为“扫频RF /扫频IF步进LO”测量。 为此,延迟被很好地定义为相位(RF到IF)随频率变化(RF到IF)的变化。 2)雷达接收机,其中同步中的RF和LO扫描以及IF实际上是单个频率(或由于多普勒响应而稍微移位的频率)。 在这种情况下,延迟没有很好地定义,并且最常见的测量是信道之间的相位匹配。 如果您想要参考,我会在新书中讨论这些测量的许多细节,并且两者都很容易处理:http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1119979552.html上述哪种情况适用 你的设备?编辑:Dr_joel于2012年9月28日下午12:07 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 If you wish, you can email me at joel_dunsmore@agilent.com. Are you working with an Agilent AE? They usually are trained in this application. Also, you say your device is swept RF/LO and fixed IF. This usually means one of two things: 1) Channelized Receiver, with an RF channel of of some frequency span, converted to a single center frequency IF with the same span. The center of the RF channel is changed by changing (stepping) the LO frequency. In such a case this should more correctly be called a "swept RF/swept IF stepped LO" measurement. For this the delay is well defined as the change in phase (RF to IF) over change in frequency (RF to IF). 2) Radar receivers, where the RF and LO sweep in a sychronous and the IF is truly a single frequency (or slight shifted frequency due to doppler response). IN this case, the delay is not well defined, and the most common measurement is phase matching between channels. I discuss many details of both these measurements in my new book if you would like a reference, and both a readily handled: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1119979552.html Which of the above situations applies to your device? Edited by: Dr_joel on Sep 28, 2012 12:07 PM |
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脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-3-15 20:23 我目前不使用Agilent AE。 关于您的上一个问题,我已通过论坛向您发送了一条私信。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I am not working with an Agilent AE at the moment. With regards to your last question, I have sent a private message to you through the forums. |
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