eGPU单元通过Thunderbolt端口与Intel NUC一起使用？

你好，rubilacx。
非常感谢您与英特尔社区团队分享您的问题。
我非常乐意为您提供帮助。您可以在英特尔®产品兼容性工具中看到与Hades Canyon兼容的产品。您可以随时通过我们的NUC.Antony S对eGPUif供应商进行双重检查。
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Hello, rubilacx. Thank you very much for sharing your issue with the Intel Communities Team. I will be more than glad to assist you.

You can see the compatible products with the Hades Canyon in the Intel® Product Compatibility Tool. You can always double check with the vendors of the eGPU if they have tested their product with our NUC.


Antony S.

什么解释Razor Core失败了什么？
我对eGPU也很好奇，所以很高兴知道Razor Core失败了。
我觉得有趣的一个是Aorus Gaming Box（1070或1080）。
那个看起来很小（代价是不能很好地升级）。



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Any explanation what failed with the Razor Core? I'm curious for eGPU's also, so it'd be nice to know what failed with the Razor Core.
 
One which I found interesting is the Aorus Gaming Box (with 1070 or 1080). That one seems small (at the expense of not being upgradeable very well).

他们没有在兼容性工具中列出任何外部GPU。
Razor CORE产品依赖于他们的SYNAPSE软件，即使雷电发现并启用了它，它也从未检测到CORE产品。
SYNAPSE似乎更具市场营销而不是功能，因为链接是商店，产品页面等。在所有恶作剧中随机出现了一些屏幕冻结和黑屏，由于稳定​​性问题，我放弃了。
我与他们的技术支持人员进行了交谈并通过电子邮件发送，他们没有产品可以进行任何测试。
如果你没有产品，很难获得技术支持....



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They do not list any external GPU's in the compatibility tool.
 
The Razor CORE product relies on their SYNAPSE software, which never detected the CORE product even when the thunderbolt found it and was enabled.  SYNAPSE appears to be more marketing than functional as the links are to the store, products pages, etc.  There were some screen freezing and black screens that randomly occurred in all the shenanigans and I gave up due to stability issues.  I talked and emailed to their tech support, which didn't have the product to do any testing.  Hard to tech support if you don't have the product....

NUC上的霹雳端口对于eGPU单元具有极大的潜力。
英特尔需要尽快测试支持的eGPU。



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The thunderbolt ports on the NUC have extreme potential for eGPU units.  Intel needs to have a supported eGPU tested asap.

感谢Razor的信息，这是非常好的信息，特别是添加主要目的的营销强制在一个重要的驱动程序/应用程序（烦人）内的应用程序。
和英特尔测试+上市的+1支持eGPU！



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Thanks for the info on Razor, that's really good info to have, especially adding apps with main purpose of marketing forced inside an important driver/app (annoying).
 
And +1 to Intel testing + listing supported eGPU's!

各位大家好！我非常感谢您的反馈。
我会将这些建议转移到适当的组.Antony S.



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Hello, everyone!

I really appreciate your feedback. I will transfer these recommendations to the proper group.


Antony S.

嗨rubilacx，
我将结束这个案例（我们为此问题创建的内部案例），因为我们现在无法做很多事情，但我已经将此请求发送给产品团队，我希望我们很快就能听到有关此主题的新闻。
谢谢，
罗尼G.



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Hi rubilacx,
 
I am going to be closing this case (internal case we created for this issue) as there is not much we can do at this point but I have already sent this request to the product team, I hope we hear news on this topic soon.
 
Thanks,
Ronny G

我最近在兼容性列表中添加了一些我们测试过的eGPU。
试图找出核心问题。
你有哪个版本的Core？
版本1还是版本2？



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I have recently added a few eGPUs we tested to our compatibility list.
 
Trying to figure out the Core issue.  Which version of the Core do you have?  Version 1 or Version 2?

你可以试试这里使用的SimplyNUC：https：//unlocked.newegg.com/article/intel-hades-canyon-nuc-unlocked-ten-displays-once
英特尔哈迪斯峡谷NUC解锁：一次十次显示|
解锁
对我来说，它符合极端情况。



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You can try the one SimplyNUC used here:
https://unlocked.newegg.com/article/intel-hades-canyon-nuc-unlocked-ten-displays-once
Intel Hades Canyon NUC Unlocked: Ten Displays at Once | Unlocked
 
For me, it qualifies as an extreme case.

我在原帖中测试了Razer Core V2- Thunderbolt 3外部图形机箱。
我已经对Aorus Gaming Box 1070进行了测试，它的工作完美无瑕。
我已经成功地从NUC中复制了10台显示器。
我可能正在测试其他eGPU以找到最佳。
兼容性区域链接中是否有某个部分我应该查找添加的测试单元？



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I tested the Razer Core V2- Thunderbolt 3 External Graphics Enclosure in my original post.  I have since tested the Aorus Gaming Box 1070 and it works flawlessly. I have duplicated the 10 monitor out of the NUC successfully.  I will likely be testing other eGPUs to find the optimal.  Is there a certain section in the compatibility area link that I should be looking for the added tested units?

谢谢rubilacx。
当然。
只需转到该工具：http：//compatibleproducts.intel.com/ProductDetails？activeModule =Intel®％20NUC - >选择Intel（r）NUC - >选择套件 - >选择NUC8i7HNK或NUC8i7HVK - >选择：Thunderbolt（tm
）和USB Type C设备。
将调查核心问题。



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Thanks rubilacx.   
 
Sure.
 
Just go to the tool: http://compatibleproducts.intel.com/ProductDetails?activeModule=Intel®%20NUC  -> Select Intel(r) NUC -> Select Kits -> Choose either NUC8i7HNK or NUC8i7HVK -> Select: Thunderbolt(tm) and USB Type C Devices.
 

 
Will investigate the Core issue.

10个屏幕真棒，但我想知道什么是真正的限制？
显然，尽管Thunderbolt能够连接设备，但任何eGPU都必须是链中的第一个设备（直接连接到计算机），因此您不能将多个eGPU连接在一起（遗憾的是）。
我想知道为什么？
软件？
这会改变未来吗？
我看过2018年的MacBook Pro有了新的Titan Ridge芯片组，可以同时处理4个eGPU（每个端口一个）！
TB芯片组上有多少个TB端口 - 两个？
每个端口是否可以支持eGPU，只要它是链中的第一个？
这是否意味着哈迪斯峡谷可以做双eGPU？
MacBook是否使用2个芯片（或4个疯狂的东西）？
那么支持两张卡的Thunderbolt外接盒怎么样？
我不认为你可以放两个短GPU（编辑：显然你可以删除封面并可能使用两张全长卡）？
你能将其中的四张（8张卡）连接到MacBook吗？！？
您的eGPU盒的哪个GPU支持大多数显示器？
如何将Thunderbolt 3 PCIe主机适配器放入外部盒子，并将eGPU机箱连接到那些！？
然后是USB-C交替模式DP连接，我读过旧的NUC只有通过USB-C路由的单个DP连接，在AMD GPU上改变了Hades Canyon吗？
你也可以从每个TB端口拉出一个或两个DP端口（Hades Canyon前面的USB-C也有alt模式DP吗？）。
表壳上有明显的直接双迷你DP和双HDMI。
那么每个DP端口上都有可能的MST？
你可以从eGPU的MST！
还有USB图形适配器的潜力吗？
有多少可以插入系统？
有人需要这样做:-)



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10 screens is awesome, but I'm left wondering what is the real limit?
 
Apparently, despite Thunderbolt's ability to chain devices, any eGPU has to be the first device in the chain (connected directly to the computer), so you can't chain multiple eGPU's together (sadly). I wonder why? Software? Could that change in the future? I read the 2018 MacBook Pro has the new Titan Ridge chipset and can handle four eGPU's at the same time (one per port)! How many TB ports are on a TB chipset - two? Can each port then support an eGPU as long as it's the first in the chain? Does that mean Hades Canyon could do dual eGPU? Does the MacBook use 2 chips (or something crazy like 4)?
 
What about a Thunderbolt external box which supports two cards? I don't suppose you can put two short GPU's in that (Edit: apparently you can remove the front cover and potentially use two full length cards)? Could you connect four of those (8 cards) to the MacBook?!? Which GPU for your eGPU box supports the most monitors? How about putting Thunderbolt 3 PCIe host adapters into the external boxes, and connecting eGPU enclosures to those!?
 
Then there's USB-C alternate-mode DP connections, I read the old NUC's only have a single DP connection routed via USB-C, has that changed on Hades Canyon w the AMD GPU? Cuz you could pull one or two DP ports off each of the TB ports as well (does the USB-C on the front of Hades Canyon have alt-mode DP too?).
 
There's obviously the direct dual mini-DP and dual HDMI on the case.
 
Then there's potentially MST on top of each DP port? And you could MST from the eGPU's!
 
And there's a potential for USB graphics adapters as well? How many of those can be plugged into a system?
 
Someone needs to do this up right :-)

嗨rubilacx，
我今天有机会尝试使用Razer Core X，但我无法看到任何问题。
我意识到X不是版本2，但因为我们没有版本2，所以我能做到。
您在第2版中尝试过哪张卡？
当版本1和X看起来完美无缺时，很难想象这是一个NUC问题。
仅供参考，我使用的是980和驱动程序版本：



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Hi rubilacx,
 
I got a chance to try a Razer Core X today and I wasn't able to see any issues. 
 
I realize the X isn't the Version 2, but as we don't have a Version 2 that's all I could do.
 
Which card did you try in the Version 2?  Hard to think it's a NUC issue when both the Version 1 and the X seem to work flawlessly.
 
FYI, I was using a 980 and driver version:

我喜欢Aorus外壳的外观，感谢您的参考。
看看那个巨大的风扇，非常适合降低噪音和降低散热效果。
亚马逊：Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080游戏盒显卡GV-N1080IXEB-8GD：计算机＆amp;
饰品
噢，我受试探了。
这感觉就像是一个假期！



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I like the look of the Aorus enclosure, thanks for the reference.
Look at that huge fan, great for lower noise and better cooling.
 
Amazon.com: Gigabyte Aorus GTX 1080 Gaming Box Graphic Cards GV-N1080IXEB-8GD: Computers & Accessories
 
Oh man am I tempted. It's feeling like a holiday early!

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Careful! Some keyboards don't like you drooling on them.
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This is not a "great treatment - just some dude's observation / opinion.
I'll defer to the people here who really know.
 
The diagram below is very abstracted and it's difficult to go beyond the abstraction, unless you have detailed knowledge.
 
I can't see any limit of both USB-C TBT 40Gbps ports driving an eGPU each (highlighted in yellow).
 
Interesting factoid: the original Intel Thunderbolt 3 specification was code named "Alpine Ridge"
(ref: https://thunderbolttechnology.net/sites/default/files/tbt3presentation.pdf)
 

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Ahh, yes, I remember that diagram from the AnandTech review, I reference it often :-)
 
Now that I look at it again, I guess it clearly answers that there isn't any DP 1.2 run to the USB-C port on the front.
 
I'm still curious about the "single" vs "dual" DP lines mentioned by the Plugable USB-C to dual-DP adapter "System Requirements".
 
The Alpine ridge chip shows two DP 1.2 lines being run to it. I wonder if their allocation via the ports is dynamic or not? And by that I mean, does each TB port just have a single line hardwired to it, and that's it, OR, is the routing within the chip dynamic based on what it's connected to, and if you used the adapter I linked previously, would you be able to use both of those connected DP lines via one of the rear TB ports (assuming nothing connected to the other)? Would a fully maxed out Alpine Ridge chip have four lines being run to it then?
 
Edit: In addition, I'm confused because,Alternate Mode is part of USB-C, so why is that adapter a Thunderbolt adapter at all (and not just plain old USB-C)? What is Thunderbolty about it?

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The Alternate Modes are actually NOT part of the USB-C specification; they are optional Partner specifications. A particular implementation can choose to support them or not.
The DP Alternate Mode requires DP 1.4 support, which we don't have, whereas the TBT Alternate Mode includes TBT 3 and DP 1.2 Alternate Mode, which we do have (through Alpine Ridge).
 
From what I can tell (not being able to find a datasheet), the Alpine Ridge dual-port IC provides two independent TBT3 interfaces and each consumes one of the DP 1.2 inputs.
 
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Very tempting and all the extra IO ports as well but at over $1,200 AU for the cheapest unit is going to have to wait a while