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怎么使用N5242A进行绝对功率测量

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我有关于PNA-X功率测量的简单问题。
当我使用PNA-X进行功率测量时,(在源和接收器校准后)我看到与我用8480系列功率传感器的结果相比约0.15-0.2dB。
我想知道什么可以创造这种差异。
(DUT:高功率(~150w)放大器)提前谢谢。

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  Hello to all Network Analyzer Guru,

Hope you are having wonderful Monday morning.

I have simple question about PNA-X power measurement.

When i make power measurement using PNA-X, (after source and receiver cal) I see about 0.15-0.2dB compare to result i have with 8480 series power sensor.

I was wondering what could create that difference. (DUT: high power (~150w) amplifier)

Thank you in advance.  

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陈建华

2019-1-14 14:06:21
嗯,最明显的答案是它可能是由谐波和/或次谐波引起的。
功率传感器和VNA完全不同地测量功率。
功率计基本上可以看到应用于它的每个信号,而VNA只能看到它被调谐到的信号。
如果您发布频谱输出的宽带图,我们可以更好地了解发生了什么。
选择一些差异最大的CW频率。
然后得到从该CW频率的约1/4到该频率的约5或6倍的信号的频谱图。

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  Well, the most obvious answer is that it could be due to harmonics and/or sub-harmonics.  A power sensor and a VNA measure power completely differently.  A power meter sees basically every signal applied to it while a VNA only sees the signal it is tuned to. If you post a wide band plot of the spectral output, we would have a better idea of what is going on.  Pick some CW frequency where the discrepancy is worst.  Then get a spectral plot of the signal from about 1/4 of that CW frequency to about 5 or 6 times that frequency.
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王金凤

2019-1-14 14:21:31
引用: 胡bbs2 发表于 2019-1-14 18:59
嗯,最明显的答案是它可能是由谐波和/或次谐波引起的。
功率传感器和VNA完全不同地测量功率。
功率计基本上可以看到应用于它的每个信号,而VNA只能看到它被调谐到的信号。

谢谢jvall的回复。
我已经在进行功率测量的端口处安装了低通滤波器。
目前我使用的低通滤波器具有高于15Ghz的高抑制(CW为10.7Ghz),所以我想我可以过滤任何谐波。
而且,在整个感兴趣的频带中,测量的差异几乎是一致的。
我不知道功率传感器频率范围内的噪声基底是否可以加到0.2dB ...... @。@

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  Thank you jvall for your response.

I already have lowpass filter at the port where power measurement is done.
Currently i'm using lowpass filter with high suppression above 15Ghz (CW at 10.7Ghz) so I think I'm ok filtering any harmonics.

Also, difference in the measurement is almost consistent throughout the frequency band of interest. 

I don't know if noise floor across the frequency range of power sensor can be added up to 0.2dB... @.@
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孔德羲

2019-1-14 14:36:29
引用: 胡bbs5 发表于 2019-1-14 19:15
谢谢jvall的回复。
我已经在进行功率测量的端口处安装了低通滤波器。
目前我使用的低通滤波器具有高于15Ghz的高抑制(CW为10.7Ghz),所以我想我可以过滤任何谐波。

你在做一个单独的1)源cal,然后2)接收器cal?
或者你正在做一个引导功率校准(使用复选框在S参数校准期间选择“校准源和接收器”。如果你正在做一个源和接收器校准,独立于S参数校准,那么接收器校准是
不匹配校正,并且VNA接收器(和信号源)与功率传感器不匹配会产生一些误差。使用引导功率校准将使其比功率传感器更精确。而且,并非一无所获,
如果您将功率从参考功率(通常为0 dBm)更改为其他功率,功率传感器并不完全准确。功率测量中的不匹配效应的典型误差为0.3-0.7 dB,如果您不执行引导功率
cal。最后,你如何比较功率计measuremetns和PNA接收器测量?你怎么知道每个功率源的功率是相同的?事实上,为了一个好的校准,差异应该在0.02的数量级
dB(正确地说明功率计不匹配可能导致插入的事实
也可以阅读!)您可以发布用于校准和测量的设置图,显示如何连接功率计,LPF和VNA接收器以进行比较。

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  Are you doing a separate 1) source cal, and then 2) receiver cal? or are you doing a guided power cal (using the checkbox to select "cal source and receiver" during the S-parameter cal.

If you are doing a source and receiver cal, independ of the S-parameter cal, then the receiver cal is not match corrected, and the VNA receiver (and source) being not as well matched as a power sensor, will give some error.

Using the guided power cal will allow it to be more accurate than a power sensor.

And, not for nothing, the power sensor isn't perfectly accurate if you change the power from the reference power (usually 0 dBm) to some other power.

Typical error for mismatch effects in power measurements is 0.3-0.7 dB, if you don't do a guided power cal.

And, finally, how are you comparing the power meter measuremetns to the PNA receiver measuerments?  How do you know the source power for each is the same?

In fact, for a good calibraition, the difference should be in the order of 0.02 dB (properly accounting for the fact that power meter mismatch may cause an incorrect reading too!)
 
you might post a drawing of the setup for calibration and measurement, showing how the power meter, LPF and VNA receiver are connected for the comparison.
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李鑫赢

2019-1-14 14:48:29
引用: 脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-1-14 19:30
你在做一个单独的1)源cal,然后2)接收器cal?
或者你正在做一个引导功率校准(使用复选框在S参数校准期间选择“校准源和接收器”。如果你正在做一个源和接收器校准,独立于S参数校准,那么接收器校准是
不匹配校正,并且VNA接收器(和信号源)与功率传感器不匹配会产生一些误差。使用引导功率校准将使其比功率传感器更精 ...

仅供参考PNA固件A.09.30中引导功率校准功能首次亮相,因此如果您的固件早于此版本,那么您将无法在S参数校准向导中看到Dr_Joel所引用的“校准源和接收器功率”复选框。

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  FYI the Guided Power Cal feature first debuted in PNA Firmware A.09.30, so if your firmware is older than that then you won't see in the S-parameter cal wizard the "Calibrate source and receiver power" checkbox to which Dr_Joel referred.
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