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我一直在使用SMC +相位转换器测量几个月,并且从未对它报告的“绝对阶段”答案感到满意。
我知道有一个设置基本上将波段中心或其中一个波段边缘固定为“零相位”,所以我并不知道我到底究竟采用了什么样的相位测量。 这是我的设置:我有一个多通道转换器。 每个通道应该是相位匹配的。 我已经通过SMC + Phase测量了每个通道的响应。 在连接到下一个通道之前,我在每个通道测量期间多次重新调整PNA和系统。 现在,我正在尝试在PNA上进行同时输出相位测量:我同时向每个PNA端口输入分离CW信号,并设置接收器B / A,C / A,D / A的mag()和相位()测量 。 我将所有测量标准化为“校准”,因为相同的信号应该进入所有输入。 然后,我将分离的CW信号放入我的系统输入,并将我的系统输出连接到PNA输入。 所以我应该测量通道之间的相对磁场和相位。 如果我通过此测量得到通道之间的相位偏移,我是否也能够在我的SMC + Phase数据中看到它,或者由于我上面关于“相位修正为零”的陈述而不能看到它? 如果我没有在SMC + Phase的连续扫描之间得到“绝对相位测量”,那么我可以使用哪种其他技术来获取数据? 谢谢! Alan编辑:alanpna于2015年8月4日上午8:58 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I have been working with SMC+Phase converter measurement for a few months now and have never been comfortable with the "absolute phase" answer it reports. I know there is a setting to basically fix either the band center or one of the band edges to "zero phase," so I am not confidant about exactly what kind of phase measurement I am getting. Here is my setup: I have a multiple channel converter. Each channel is supposed to be phase matched. I have gone through and measured response of each channel with SMC+Phase. I re-tuned the PNA and system multiple times during each channel measurement before connecting to the next channel. Now, I am trying to do a simultaneous output phase measurement on the PNA: I input a split CW signal to each PNA port simultaneously and setup mag() and phase() measurements of receivers B/A, C/A, D/A. I normalize all measurements as a "calibration" as the same signal should be going into all inputs. Then, I put the split CW signal to my system inputs and connect my system outputs to the PNA inputs. So I should be measuring relative mag and phase between channels. If I get phase offsets between channels with this measurements, will I also be able to see that in my SMC+Phase data, or will it not be visible due to my above statements about the "phase fix to zero"? If I don't get an "absolute phase measurement" between successive sweeps with SMC+Phase, as it appears, what other technique can I use to get that data? Thanks! Alan Edited by: alanpna on Aug 4, 2015 8:58 AM |
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嗨,SMC + Phase不给出绝对相位。
但是,经过适当校准后,确实会产生绝对延迟。 绝对延迟意味着您在频率之间具有正确的相对相位。 但是,您在不同通道之间没有相对相位...因此您无法真正使用SMC + Phase来测量B / A,C / A,D / A. 如果你想测量那些比率 - 那么我建议你只使用标准通道和频率偏移模式(FOM)。 将信号源设置为一个频率,将接收器设置为不同的频率。 然后,您可以测量B / A,1或C / A,1。 这为您提供原始相比率。 您甚至可以获得校正后的相位比。 我们在标准通道上的引导功率校准功能将使此测量正确。 这是程序。 #1。 在非FOM模式下设置标准通道,其频率可覆盖最终激励和响应频率。 您可以使用具有2个段的段扫描:一个用于激励,一个用于响应......但是,您不应该处于FOM模式。 #2。 在此状态下运行Guided Power Cal。 #3。 打开FOM,并适当设置刺激和响应频率。 校准应保持不变。 固件将适当地对校准进行子集化。 #4。 测量A / B,1 ......然后查看相位。 这将告诉你接收器的相位平衡如何...... 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi, SMC+Phase does not give absolute phase. However, when properly calibrated, it does give absolute delay. Absolute delay means that you have the correct relative phase between frequencies. But, you don't have relative phase between different channels... so you can't really use SMC+Phase to measure B/A, C/A, D/A. If you want to measure those ratios - then I suggest that you just use a standard channel and frequency offset mode (FOM). Set the source to one frequency and the receivers to a different frequency. Then, you can measure B/A,1 or C/A,1. That gives you the raw phase ratio. You can even get the corrected phase ratio. Our Guided Power Cal feature on the standard channel will make this measurement properly. Here's the procedure. #1. Setup the standard channel in non FOM mode with frequencies to cover both the final stimulus and response frequencies. You can use a segment sweep with 2 segments: one for stimulus and one for response... but, you should not be in FOM mode yet. #2. Run the Guided Power Cal on this state. #3. Turn on FOM, and set the stimulus and response frequencies appropriately. The calibration should stay on. The firmware will subset the calibration appropriately. #4. Measure A/B,1... and then look at the phase. This will tell you how phase balanced your receivers are... |
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对于SMC,不测量LO信号的相位,但其相位会影响IF输出,因此如果LO相位发生变化,IF相位会发生变化。
但大多数人看到RF到IF阶段的情况,而不是LO的影响,所以我们不测量它(实际上,如果需要使用NVNA多音调应用,我们可以测量它,但它更大的交易 去做)。 为了消除LO阶段引起的变化,我们在用户选择的点(默认为中心点)“软件锁相”输出。 SMC中的原始相位始终为0度(相位锁定后应用不匹配校正,因此可能会有几度偏移,但相位在锁定点处将保持不变)。 要在多输入/多输出转换器的两个通道之间进行相对相位测量,更好的方法是使用新的DIQ(差分和IQ混频器)应用(089)。 它允许您创建两个相控源并测量任何输出。 因此,对于双相位匹配混频器,您可以在输入端创建两个具有0相位差的源,然后在输出处测量双混频器的输出。 混频器的相对相位是输出端的Δ相除以输入端的Δ相。 当然LO必须同时提供给两个混合器。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 With SMC, the phase of the LO signal is not measured, but its phase affects the IF output, and so the IF phase changes if the LO phase changes. But most people what to see the RF to IF phase, and not the effect of LO so it's OK we don't measure it (actually, we can measure it if needed using the NVNA mulit-tone application, but its a bigger deal to do that). To remove the variation due to LO phase we "software-phase-lock" the output at the point that user selects (defaulted to the center point). The raw phase in SMC will always be 0 degrees (mismatch correction is applied after phase locking, so there can be a couple of degrees offset due to that, but the phase will be constant at the lock point). To make a relative phase measurement between two channels of a multiple input/multiple output converter, a better approach is to use the new DIQ (Differential and IQ mixer) application (089). It allows you to create two phase-controlled sources and measure any outputs. So for a dual phase-matched mixer, you create two sources at the input with 0 phase difference, and then measure at the output of the dual mixer at the output. The relative phase of the mixers is the delta-phase at the output divided by the delta-phase at the input. Of course the LO must be supplied to both mixers at the same time. |
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