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如何为SMA设备最好地使用85052B 3.5 mm套件?

我有一个85052B 26.5 GHz标准校准套件。
85052B 3.5 mm套件的系数在我的VNA固件中。
以开路为例,我看到:C0 = 49.433,C1 = -310.13,C2 = 23.168,C3 = -0.15966偏移延迟= 29.243 ps等我明白这些意味着什么。
这些非常相似,但*与*给出的那些相同,无论是在http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm给出的那些,我的8720D的固件(版本7.74)使用偏移量
延迟为29.243 ps,在那个页面中它显示为29.2 ps的PNA,所以有43 fs的差异,这是相当小的,虽然我很困惑为什么它存在。
无论如何,这是一个小问题。
现在到了更重要的问题。
当然我有时使用SMA设备,我知道SMA和3.5毫米之间存在一些电气不匹配,可以通过去嵌入来解决,尽管我从未真正研究过它。
但是有更简单的方法来测量SMA设备吗?
查看带有* PNA *系列的85052B校准套件的HTML页面,http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm我看到的标准比固件中的标准要多得多
我的8720D。
例如,PNA列表中的标准#9具有这些*非常*不同的电容系数,用于“3.5 mm / SMA公开”C0 = 5.9588,C1 = -11.195,C2 = 0.5076,C3 = -0.00243 C0项已更改为
超过8的因素,从49.433 fF到5.9588 fF。
我猜*如果测量SMA设备而不是3.5毫米设备,则应该使用不同的系数集,并且*可能* HTML页面具有可用的幻数。
我是对的,还是我“失去了情节”?
如果在测量SMA设备时,最好使用一组不同的系数,我想使用它们。
我意识到8720D仅限于8个标准,因此我无法定义8510或PNA上的数量,但没有什么可以阻止我为SMA定义另一个校准套件,如果我只知道如何解释这些给出的数字
PNA如何解释PNA的这些值。
例如,标准#9(“3.5 mm / SMA男性打开”)究竟是什么?http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm实际上是什么意思?
更复杂的是,标准#18(“2.92 mm / SMA女性打开”)到底意味着什么?
例如,如果我想用我的3.5 mm校准套件测量SMA母设备,那么为开放定义的最佳系数是多少?
我希望如果我有一个PNA,这对我来说会更明显,但我不禁感觉我的8720D中的用户校准套件会做同样的工作。
戴夫

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  I've got an 85052B 26.5 GHz standard calibration kit. The coefficients for the 85052B 3.5 mm kit are in the firmware of my VNA. Taking the example of the opens, I see:  

C0=49.433, C1=-310.13, C2=23.168, C3=-0.15966 offset delay = 29.243 ps etc

I understand what all those mean.  

These are very similar, but *not* identical to those given for the PNA at  

http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm

The firmware (version 7.74) for my 8720D use an offset delay of 29.243 ps, and in that page it shows 29.2 ps for the PNA, so there is a difference of 43 fs, which is pretty small, although I'm puzzled why it exists. Anyway, that is a minor issue.  

Now to the more important issue.  

Naturally I sometimes use SMA devices, and I know there is some electrical mis-match between SMA and 3.5 mm, which one could resolve by de-embedding, although I've never actually looked into it. But is there a simpler way of measuring SMA devices?  

Looking at the HTML page for this 85052B cal kit with the *PNA* series,  

http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm

I see a lot more standards than are in the firmware of my 8720D. For example, standard #9 in the PNA list has these *very* different capacitance coefficients for "3.5 mm/SMA male open"

C0=5.9588, C1=-11.195, C2=0.5076, C3=-0.00243

The C0 term has changed by a factor of more than eight, from 49.433 fF to 5.9588 fF.  

I'm *guessing* one should use a different set of coefficients if measuring SMA devices, rather than 3.5 mm devices, and *perhaps* that HTML page has the magic numbers to use. Am I right, or have I "lost the plot"?

If a different set of coefficients are preferable when measuring SMA devices, I would like to use them. I realize the 8720D is limited to 8 standards, so I can't define as many as on an 8510 or PNA, but there is nothing stopping me defining another cal kit for SMA, IF I only knew exactly how to interpret those numbers given for the PNA

How do I interpret those values for the PNA. For example, what exactly does standard #9 ("3.5 mm/SMA male open") here

http://na.tm.agilent.com/pna/caldefs/PNA/85052B.htm

actually mean? Even more complicated, what exactly does standard #18 ("2.92 mm/SMA female open") mean?  

If for example I wanted to measure an SMA female device with my 3.5 mm cal kit, what are the optimal coefficients to define for the open?  

I expect if I had a PNA, this would be more obvious to me, but I can't help feeling a user cal kit in my 8720D would do the same job.  

Dave  

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黎菁菁

2018-12-3 10:19:55
你好Dave,3.5mm校准套件中那些奇怪的发声电容条目是可配合连接器的并联电容模型,如SMA到3.5 mm和2.92 mm到3.5 mm。
8510具有连接器补偿功能,可将3.5mm校准测试端口转换为虚拟SMA测试端口。
参见Roger Pollard博士的论文“补偿技术改进了一系列机械兼容连接器的测量”,Microave Journal,1994年10月。只有8510具有这种连接器补偿功能。
PNA可以通过使用夹具去嵌入来执行类似的任务。
需要并联电容模型的S2P文件。
从论文中,应该能够计算错误适配器并将其保存为S2P文件。


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  Hello Dave,

Those strange sounding capacitance entries in the 3.5mm cal kits are shunt capacitance models of matable connectors such as SMA to 3.5 mm and 2.92 mm to 3.5 mm.  The 8510 has a connector compensation function that converts a 3.5mm calibrated test port into a virtual SMA test port. See paper by Dr. Roger Pollard "Compensation Technique Improves Measurements For a Range of Mechanical Compatible Connectors",  Microave Journal Oct. 1994. Only the 8510 has this connector compensation function.  

The PNA can perform a similar task by using fixture de-embed.  An S2P file of the shunt capacitance model is required.  From the paper, one should be able to compute the error adapter and save it as an S2P file.

Ken
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李鑫赢

2018-12-3 10:38:22
引用: 60user22 发表于 2018-12-3 17:53
你好Dave,3.5mm校准套件中那些奇怪的发声电容条目是可配合连接器的并联电容模型,如SMA到3.5 mm和2.92 mm到3.5 mm。
8510具有连接器补偿功能,可将3.5mm校准测试端口转换为虚拟SMA测试端口。
参见Roger Pollard博士的论文“补偿技术改进了一系列机械兼容连接器的测量”,Microave Journal,1994年10月。只有8510具有这种 ...

> {quote:title = drkirby写道:} {quote}>我的8720D的固件(版本7.74)使用了29.243 ps的偏移延迟,在该页面中它显示了29.2 ps的PNA,所以有一个>差别
43 fs,这是相当小的,虽然我很困惑为什么它存在。
无论如何,这是一个小问题。
我相信用于创建该表页面的电子表格会舍入该特定值;
在PNA对该套件的表示中,偏移延迟实际上精确到29.243 ps,就像在872x中一样。
最好的问候,布拉德

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  > {quote:title=drkirby wrote:}{quote}
> The firmware (version 7.74) for my 8720D use an offset delay of 29.243 ps, and in that page it shows 29.2 ps for the PNA, so there is a 
> difference of 43 fs, which is pretty small, although I'm puzzled why it exists. Anyway, that is a minor issue.

I believe the spreadsheet that was used to create that table page rounded that particular value; in the PNA's representation of that kit the offset delay is actually precisely 29.243 ps, just as in the 872x.

Best regards,
Brad
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李青

2018-12-3 10:57:38
引用: uwyywefwd 发表于 2018-12-3 18:11
> {quote:title = drkirby写道:} {quote}>我的8720D的固件(版本7.74)使用了29.243 ps的偏移延迟,在该页面中它显示了29.2 ps的PNA,所以有一个>差别
43 fs,这是相当小的,虽然我很困惑为什么它存在。
无论如何,这是一个小问题。

> {quote:title = bhokkan写道:} {quote} >> {quote:title = drkirby写道:} {quote} >>我8720D的固件(版本7.74)使用29.243 ps的偏移延迟,并在该页面中
对于PNA来说它显示29.2 ps,所以有43 fs的差异,这相当小,尽管我很困惑为什么它存在。
无论如何,这是一个小问题。
>>我相信用于创建该表页面的电子表格会舍入该特定值;
在PNA对该套件的表示中,偏移延迟实际上精确到29.243 ps,就像在872x中一样。
>>祝您好运,>布拉德谢谢布拉德。

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  > {quote:title=bhokkan wrote:}{quote}
> > {quote:title=drkirby wrote:}{quote}
> > The firmware (version 7.74) for my 8720D use an offset delay of 29.243 ps, and in that page it shows 29.2 ps for the PNA, so there is a 
> > difference of 43 fs, which is pretty small, although I'm puzzled why it exists. Anyway, that is a minor issue.

> I believe the spreadsheet that was used to create that table page rounded that particular value; in the PNA's representation of that kit the offset delay is actually precisely 29.243 ps, just as in the 872x.

> Best regards,
> Brad

Thank you Brad.
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李青

2018-12-3 11:04:50
引用: 60user22 发表于 2018-12-3 17:53
你好Dave,3.5mm校准套件中那些奇怪的发声电容条目是可配合连接器的并联电容模型,如SMA到3.5 mm和2.92 mm到3.5 mm。
8510具有连接器补偿功能,可将3.5mm校准测试端口转换为虚拟SMA测试端口。
参见Roger Pollard博士的论文“补偿技术改进了一系列机械兼容连接器的测量”,Microave Journal,1994年10月。只有8510具有这种 ...

> {quote:title = kenwong写道:} {quote}> Hello Dave,>> 3.5mm校准套件中那些奇怪的发声电容条目是可配合连接器的并联电容模型,例如SMA到3.5 mm和2.92 mm到3.5 mm。
谢谢肯。
> 8510具有连接器补偿功能,可将3.5mm校准测试端口转换为虚拟SMA测试端口。
参见Roger Pollard博士的文章“补偿技术改进了一系列机械兼容连接器的测量”,Microwave Journal,1994年10月。我将看看那篇论文。
我以前见过你提到它,但我必须承认我没看过它。
我显然猜错了那些奇怪的价值!
戴夫

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  > {quote:title=kenwong wrote:}{quote}
> Hello Dave,

> Those strange sounding capacitance entries in the 3.5mm cal kits are shunt capacitance models of matable connectors such as SMA to 3.5 mm and 2.92 mm to 3.5 mm. 

Thank you Ken. 

> The 8510 has a connector compensation function that converts a 3.5mm calibrated test port into a virtual SMA test port. See paper by Dr. Roger Pollard "Compensation Technique Improves Measurements For a Range of Mechanical Compatible Connectors",  Microwave Journal Oct. 1994. 

I'll take a look at that paper. I have seen you mention it before, but I must admit I did not look at it. I obviously guessed incorrectly what those odd values were! 

Dave
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