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输入损耗校正功能,Fixed,Table,Temp没有给出我预期的结果。
我正在测试16Ghz 16db增益放大器,预期噪声系数为1.7db。 我正在使用输入损耗表来校正电缆和探头损耗。 16Ghz的输入损耗为1.2db。 输出丢失表条目大约是0.5db。 将输出探头连接到NFA的电缆包含在用户校准中。 仪表测量的增益为16db,与我的s参数测量相匹配。 噪音系数为2.3db。 输入损失的1/2是高于预期的数字。 如果我关闭输入损耗校正,噪声系数会增加0.6db到2.9db,增益会减少1.2db。 增益下降是预期的,但噪音应该上升! 由1.2db不是0.6db! 我尝试了另一种自我一致性检查,并在噪声源和放大器之间放入一个3db垫。 保留输入损耗补偿表。 我看到噪声系数上升了3db到5.3db,增益下降了3db,如预期的那样。 现在我将3db添加到输入损失补偿表中的值。 正确计算增益为16db但噪声为3.8db ...仅从计算出的噪声系数中删除1.5db! 为什么噪声系数只能通过我输入损耗补偿系统的输入损耗的1/2来校正? 如果我使用旧学校方法通过将ENR值降低1.2db来校正额外损失,我会得到我期望的增益和噪声系数!编辑:malibu于2013年4月25日下午10:55 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The input loss correction functions, Fixed, Table, Temp are not giving me expected results. I am testing a 16Ghz 16db gain amplifier with expected noise figure of 1.7db. I am using an input loss table to correct for cable and probe losses. The input loss at 16Ghz is 1.2db. The output loss table entry is about 0.5db. The cable connecting the output probe to the NFA was included in the user Calibration. The meter measures gain of 16db which matched my s-parameter measurement. The noise figure comes out at 2.3db. A figure that is 1/2 of the input loss above what is expected. If I turn off the input loss correction the noise figure increases by 0.6db to 2.9db and the gain decreases by 1.2db. The gain decrease is as expected but the noise should have gone up! by 1.2db NOT 0.6db! I tried another self consistency check and put in a 3db pad between the noise source and my amp. Leaving the input loss compensation table on. I see the Noise Figure go up by 3db to 5.3db and the gain go down my 3db as expected. Now I add 3db to the values in my input loss compensation table. The gain is correctly computed to be 16db but the noise is 3.8db... only 1.5db is removed from the computed noise figure! Why is the noise figure only being corrected by 1/2 the input loss that I put in to the loss compensation system? If I use the old school method of correcting for additional loss by reducing the ENR value by 1.2db I get both gain and noise figure numbers I expect! Edited by: malibu on Apr 25, 2013 10:55 PM |
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我有时是个白痴.......我没有意识到校正设置菜单中的Temp字段修改了表的效果和/或固定衰减的噪声贡献我认为它是第三个相互排斥的
菜单选择......显而易见,NO在文档中的位置是明确的! 不管怎么说......但是对NFA有信心我很高兴! 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I'm such an idiot at times....... I did not realize that the Temp field in the correction setup menu modified the effect of the Table and / or the fixed attenuation's noise contribution I thought it was a third mutually exclusive menu selection... It was so obvious that NO where in the documentation is that made clear! Thanks any way ... but it is nice to have my confidence in the NFA back! |
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jiajia627 发表于 2019-3-5 14:15 嗨maibu,我有Agilent N8975A NFA,我正在使用它来测量DUT的噪声系数。 当我直接连接DUT和NFA(固定电缆损耗非常小)时,我的噪声系数远低于3.5dB(在DUT的规格范围内)但是当相同的NFA时,我连接到ATE中的DUT总数 连接(NFA输出)到(DUT输入)和(DUT输出)到(NFA输入)的(电缆+开关)的路径损耗是7.7 dB,我得到的噪声系数大约为7.7 dB。 现在我在NFA中使用了Loss Comp。 我的NFA显示噪声系数大约为5.5 dB,我的NFA显示噪声系数大约为5.5 dB。然后我也进入了温度设置为298k(25 c)这样做了这个并且猜测我得到了什么 更好的读数和接近预期。 但我真的不知道为什么以及我应该给多少温度。任何帮助都将受到高度赞赏。 :) 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi maibu, I have Agilent N8975A NFA and I am using it measure Noise Figure of a DUT. when I directly connect the DUT with the NFA (Fixed cable with very small loss), I get Noise Figure well below 3.5dB (within the spec of DUT) but when the same NFA, I connect to DUT in an ATE in which the total path loss of the (cables+switches) connecting the (NFA out) to (DUT in) and (DUT out) to (NFA in) is 7.7 dB, I get the Noise figure around 7.7 dB. Now I used Loss Comp in NFA. and entered the Forward and Reverse Loos resp as 4.1 dB and 3.6 dB, my NFA shows Noise Figure around 5.5 dB.Then I also entered the Temp settings as 298k (25 c) which is abmient temperature after doing this and guess what I get far better readings and close to what is expected. But I really don't know why and how much temp should I give.Any help will be highly appreciated. :) |
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你好Malibu,我在2周之前发布了我面对NFA的问题,如果你能节省一些时间并指导我一些解决方案/想法,那将会很棒。
我做的一个观察是,在给出DUT之前和之后的温度和损耗值之后,读数在我的DUT的规格中为1.31 - 1.39 GHz但是这些值超出了1.3和1.4 GHz的规格。 知道为什么会这样吗? 此致,罗希特。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello Malibu, I posted the problem which I am facing with NFA some 2 weeks before, It will great if you could spare some time and guide me some solution/idea. One observation which I made was, after giving the temp and loss values before and after the DUT, the readings are in specs of my DUT for 1.31 - 1.39 GHz but the values goes beyond specs for 1.3 and 1.4 GHz. Any idea why this could happen?? Regards, Rohit. |
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在我看来,你的系统的所有损失都在临时室之外。
因此,两个损耗元素的温度设置应该是环境温度。 不是室内的温度。 在您测量的频段内,损耗会随着频率而变化多少? 如果它的变化超过预期测量值的百分之几,则应该使用一个表来说明损失的频率变化。 希望这可以帮助。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Looks to me like all the loss of your system is outside of the temp chamber. Therefor the temp setting of both loss elements should be ambient. not the temp inside the chamber. how much does the loss vary with frequency over the band you are measuring? if it varies by more than a few percent of the expected measurement you should be using a table that accounts for the frequency changes of the loss. hope this helps. |
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