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亲爱的先生,我从C: ADS2009 examples MW_Ckts LNA_1GHz_prj中取这个例子,对这个放大器布局有很多疑问。
我在下面附上.png文件(这是大ckt,我不能将它整个部分下载一次,我按部分下载,第一部分是上部,第二部分是下部,第三部分是整个部分,以及 第四个是完成放大器部分)它是1GHz放大器。 我不明白以下几点(1)他们如何将原理图成品放大器转换成放大器布局部分。 (2)您可能会注意到在放大器布局中,两条微带线连接在电容器,电感器,电阻器和MTEES之间。 他们如何计算MLIN的值。 为什么我们必须在电感,电容,电阻和MTEE之间连接两条微带线。 (3)为什么他们使用SMT_Pad,如何定义它。什么是SMT_Pad的用途? (4)您可能还注意到,他们使用的电容为sc_mrt_MC_GRM39X7R050_K_19960828,sc_mrt_MC_GR ..............,indutor为sl_cft_0603HS ..............,电阻 as sr_ims_RC_I ................... ,. 在他们使用这些数字和数值的基础上,我们如何选择这些SMT_Pad电感,电容和电阻。 (5)在某个地方,他们在角落里使用过MCORN,有些人在他们离开的地方。 为什么他们没有使用MCORN,哪里有角落。 (6)如果我们想将原理图放大器转换为布局,我们必须将其转换为示例中所示的放大器布局,然后按生成/更新布局。 是否足够或其他一些参数,我们必须调整它。 (7)我们如何选择VCC并声明它。 我有上述疑问,有人知道,你可以帮助我将原理图放大器逐步转换为放大器布局,就像在ADS 2009 C: ADS2009 examples MW_Ckts LNA_1GHz_prj的例子中所做的那样。请纠正它。 Amplifier_Layout_Complete .png151.0 KBAmplifer_Layout_UpperPart.png163.0 KBFinished_Amplifier.png171.5 KB 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Dear Sir, I am taking this example from C:ADS2009examplesMW_CktsLNA_1GHz_prj, have many doubt regarding on this Amplifier layout. I have attached .png files below (It is big ckt , I can't download it entire part it once, I made it part by part, first one is upper part, second one is lower part, third one is entire part, and fourth one is finished amplifier part)it is a 1GHz amplifier. I didn't understand the following points (1) How they have converted the schematic finished amplifier into amplifier layout part. (2) You may notice in the amplifier layout , two microstrips lines connected between capacitor, inductor, resistor and MTEES. How they have calculated the values of MLIN's. Why we have to connect two microstrip lines between inductor , capacitor, resistor and MTEEs. (3) Why they have used the SMT_Pad, how to define it.What is the use of SMT_Pad ? (4) You may also notice , they have used capacitors as sc_mrt_MC_GRM39X7R050_K_19960828, sc_mrt_MC_GR.............., indutor as sl_cft_0603HS.............., resistor as sr_ims_RC_I..................., . On What basis they have used these numbers and values, how we have to choose these SMT_Pad inductor, capacitor , and resistors. (5) Somewhere they have used MCORN at the corner, some where they have left. Why they have not used MCORN, where ever corner is there. (6) If we want to convert the schematic amplifier into layout , we have to convert it as like amplifier layout shown in the example and later press the Generate/Update Layout . Is it enough or some other parameter, we have to tune it. (7) How we have to choose VCC and declare it. The above doubts I have , anybody knows, can you help me to convert schematic amplifier into amplifier layout step by step as it was done in the example of ADS 2009 C:ADS2009examplesMW_CktsLNA_1GHz_prj .Please rectify it. 附件
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*布局*(来自AmpLayout.dsn)+原理图是通过复制“FinishedAmp.dsn”并用SMT C,L's和R替换所有理想组件而创建的。
接下来,使用“布局>生成/更新布局”来创建初始布局。 在布局窗口中,添加了微带线以实现所需的电路板。 完成后,单击“原理图>生成/更新原理图”,可以看到完成的原理图。+ +注意,每个需要外部访问的点都添加了端口:RF输入,RF输出和VCC。+ * SMT_Pad * (来自AmpLayout.dsn)+“SMT_Pad”仅用于生成布局图稿。 此组件未在模拟中使用。 如果需要包括焊盘的寄生效应,可以将它们作为并联电容添加,或者可以使用MLOC开路微带元件对焊盘进行建模。+ http://edocs.soco.agilent.com/display/ads2009/SMT +焊盘+%28SMT +焊接+焊盘%29 * SMT元件*零件编号基于制造商对该系列元件的零件编号。 然后,在从RF无源SMT库放置之后,在每个实例中选择使用的实际值。 因此,例如去耦电容之一C_decoup1是sc_mrt_MC_GRM39X7R050_K_19960828,它是表面贴装电容“muRata Manufacturing MC系列,GRM39外壳,K容差,+ / - 15%( - 55到+125℃),50V,21个零件: 220pF-10nF,+ / - 10%“如图库浏览器中该部分的描述中所列,编辑和1.0nF值是从该范围中选择的。 所有这些SMT零件都具有用于模拟的等效电路模型,零件名称的最后部分(_19960828)看起来像是制造商创建模型的日期。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 *Layout* (from AmpLayout.dsn) +The schematic was created by copying "FinishedAmp.dsn" and replacing all the ideal components with SMT C's, L's and R's. Next, "Layout>Generate/Update Layout" was used to create the initial layout. In the layout window, microstrip lines were added to achieve the desired circuit board. When it was finished, clicking on "Schematic>Generate/Update Schematic" resulted in the finished schematic seen here.+ +Notice that ports have been added at each point requiring external access: RF input, RF output and VCC.+ *SMT_Pad* (from AmpLayout.dsn) +"SMT_Pad" is used to generate layout artwork only. THIS COMPONENT IS NOT USED IN SIMULATION. If parasitic effects from the pads need to be included, they can be added as shunt capacitances or the pads can be modeled using MLOC open-circuit microstrip elements.+ http://edocs.soco.agilent.com/display/ads2009/SMT+Pad+%28SMT+Bond+Pad%29 *SMT Components* The parts numbers are based on the manufacturer's part number for that series of components. The actual value used is then selected within each instance after it is placed from the RF Passive SMT Library. So for example one of the decoupling capacitors, C_decoup1, is sc_mrt_MC_GRM39X7R050_K_19960828 which is surface mount capacitor "muRata Manufacturing MC Series, GRM39 Case, K Tolerance, +/-15% (-55 to +125 deg C), 50V, 21 Parts: 220pF-10nF, +/-10%" as listed in the description for that part in the Library Browser and the edit and the 1.0nF value was selected from that range. All these SMT parts have equivalent circuit models for simulation and the last part of the part name (_19960828) looks like the date that model was created by the manufacturer. |
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sdgrant先生,在SMT库中,我们如何选择SMT电容,电感和电阻的值。 他们是如此多的公司SMT电容器,电感器和电阻器都可用。 (1)假设我想要40pF,60pF,100pF,0.1pF。 如果这些值可用,则为o.k. 如果没有我们想要的电容值(假设40pF,我在SMT库中找不到),我们要做什么。 如果不同公司可获得相同的价值(100pF),我们需要选择哪个公司价值。 SMT库电容器可与不同公司一起使用(可以是MURATE,Sprague,Microelectronics MPR7,AVx ......................)。 假设我从MURATE公司选择100pF,电路中剩余的电容器,我需要选择相同的公司电容器,或者我们可以选择任何公司的电容器。 (2)假设我想要INDUCTOR和RESISTORS不同的值。如果这些值可用,则为o.k,如果不可用,我们必须做什么。 无论在(1)中讨论的要点是什么,我都面临着与电容器问题类似的电感器和电阻器的问题。 (3)同样,它们在ADS2009放大器布局示例中创建和显示的内容。 我们是否可以为我们自己的设计(原理图)低噪声放大器创建布局,如示例AMPLIFIER LAYOUT?所示。 (4)无论我们为自己的设计创建布局,都类似于AMPLIFIER LAYOUT示例。 对于制作,我们是否需要更改布局的任何内容,它是否有效? 我们需要为我们的设计做些修改。 (5)等效原理图,我们需要创建放大器布局(我们必须使用SMT库值的等效值作为原理图的类似值)。 我们如何交叉验证,创建的布局是否正确? (6)例如,在MURATA电容器供应商公司,220pF,6pF,12pF,0.5pF等相同值的电容器多次出现(sc_mrt_MC _ms.......... )。 我很困惑,我需要选择哪一个。 (7)您可能会注意到AMPLIFIER LAYOUT示例中,他们使用了SMT_Library电容,电感,电阻与相同系列组件Pad_0603。 如果一个组件使用相同的系列,我们是否必须遵循该系列的其余组件? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, In the SMT library, How we have to choose the values of SMT capacitor, inductor , and resistors. They are so many companies SMT capacitor, inductor and resistors are available. (1) Suppose I want 40pF, 60pF , 100pF,0.1pF. If these values are available , it is o.k. If it is not available our desired value of capacitor ( suppose 40pF, I didn't find in the SMT library), what we have to do. If same value( 100pF) is available for different companies, which company value we need to choose. SMT library capacitor are available with different companies ( can be MURATE, Sprague, Microelectronics MPR7, AVx ......................). Suppose I choose 100pF from the MURATE company, remaining capacitors in the circuit, I need to choose the same company capacitor or we can choose any company capacitors. (2) Suppose I want INDUCTOR and RESISTORS different values.If these values are available , it is o.k, if it is not available, what we have to do. What ever the points discussed in the (1) , I am facing the same problems with inductors and resistors as similar to capacitor problem. (3) Similarly , What they have created and shown in the ADS2009 AMPLIFIER LAYOUT example. Can we similarly create layout for our own design (schematic)low noise amplifier as shown in the example AMPLIFIER LAYOUT?. (4) Whatever we create layout for our own design as similar to AMPLIFIER LAYOUT example. For fabrication, do we need to change anything for the layout, will it work? or modification we need to do for our design. (5) Equivalently schematic, we need to creating amplifier layout(we have to use equivalent values of SMT library values as similar values of schematic). How we have to cross verify, whether created layout correct or not?. (6)For example, in MURATA capacitor vendor company, same value capacitor like 220 pF, 6pF ,12 pF , 0.5pF have appeared many times(sc_mrt_MC_...................). I am confused , which one I need to choose. (7) You may notice in the example AMPLIFIER LAYOUT, they have used SMT_Library capacitors, inductors, resistors with the same series components Pad_0603. If one component is used same series, do we must follow the series the remaining components?. |
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* SMT元件*电气元件有许多不同的特性。 您必须选择适合您正在构建的设计的那个。 这些SMT组件的描述为我之前提到的每个部件提供了简要定义:muRata Manufacturing MC系列,GRM39外壳,K公差,+ / - 15%( - 55到+125摄氏度),50V,21个部件:220pF -10nF,+ / - 10%每个组都不同,因此用户必须选择效果最佳的组。 *布局*可以为包含具有布局定义的组件的任何设计创建布局,也可以创建自己的布局。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 *SMT Components* There are many different characteristics of electrical components. You have to choose the one that works for the design you are building. The description of these SMT Components provides a brief definition for each part like I mentioned before: muRata Manufacturing MC Series, GRM39 Case, K Tolerance, +/-15% (-55 to +125 deg C), 50V, 21 Parts: 220pF-10nF, +/-10% Each group is different so the user has to select the one that works best. *Layout* Layouts can be created for any design with components that have layout definitions or you can create your own. |
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sdgrant爵士,你知道先生吗?,根据你的知识先生,常用的RF无源SMT电容器,电感器和电阻器常常是低成本(更便宜),你能告诉我先生吗? 哪个国家先生必须提供。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, Do you know sir?, which company RF passive SMT capacitors, inductors and resistors are commonly used, frequently, low cost(cheaper) as per your knowledge sir, can you tell me sir. Which must be available in all country sir. |
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您需要从当地的电子零件经销商处检查这些零件的可用性。 每个制造商通常都有自己的首选卖家。 价格将始终取决于您购买的数量。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 You would need to check availability of these parts from your local electronic parts distributors. Each manufacturer typically has its own preferred sellers. The price will always depend on the quantity that you are buying. |
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sdgrant先生,您知道我想为我的低噪声放大器创建布局,为此我使用了ATF54153线性和非线性晶体管。 我使用非线性ATF 54143_3V_60mA晶体管为我的工作创建了一些布局。 我注意到没有出现非线性ATF 54143晶体管PRE CONFIGURED LAYOUT。 如果没有出现,如何为线性和非线性ATF 54143_3V_60mA晶体管创建固定晶体管布局。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, As you know that I want to create layout for my low noise amplifier, for that I used ATF54153 linear and nonlinear transistor. I created some layout for my work using non linear ATF 54143_3V_60mA transistor. I have noticed that nonlinear ATF 54143 transistor PRE CONFIGURED LAYOUT is not appeared. If it is not appeared , how to create the fixed transistor layout for linear and nonlinear ATF 54143_3V_60mA transistor. |
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ADS拥有各种封装组件的封装外形库。 这包括与ATF 54143使用的SOT343包。只需使用编辑组件图形...功能将一个作为设备的固定图稿。 请注意,它们有4个引脚,因此对于4引脚模型样式可以正常工作,但如果只有3个引脚,则需要创建额外级别的引脚以添加额外的源引脚。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 ADS has a library of package outlines for various package components. This includes SOT343 packages like that used by the ATF 54143. Simply use the Edit Component Artwork... function to assign one as the fixed artwork for the device. Note that these have 4 pins so will work fine for the 4 pin model style but if you have only 3 pins you will need to create an extra level of heirarchy to add the extra source pin. |
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sdgrant先生,很抱歉,我找不到,各种包装组件在哪里。 先生,你能告诉我一次吗? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, I am sorry that I couldn't find , where is that various package components. Can you show me once sir . |
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411easdd*** 发表于 2019-1-2 12:02 sdgrant先生,很抱歉,我找不到,各种包装组件在哪里。 先生,你能告诉我一次吗? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, I am sorry that I couldn't find , where is that various package components. Can you show me once sir . |
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411easdd*** 发表于 2019-1-2 12:02 sdgrant先生,我很抱歉,我找不到,各种包组件库在哪里,你能先告诉我一次吗。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, I am sorry that I couldn't find , where is that various package components library, can you show me once sir. |
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sdgrant先生,同样如何获得线性ATF54143晶体管的布局。 您已经向我展示了如何在前一篇文章中获得非线性晶体管ATF 54143的布局。 同样向我展示线性ATF 54143晶体管的布局。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 sdgrant Sir, Similarly how to get layout for the linear ATF54143 transistor. You have shown me , how to get the layout for the nonlinear transistor ATF 54143 in the previous post. Similarly show me the layout for linear ATF 54143 transistor. |
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www037 发表于 2019-1-2 12:55 当您尝试购买线性和非线性ATF54143时,麻烦就开始了;-)模型是现实的简化视图。 线性和非线性晶体管模型是两种不同的电气模型:ATF54143晶体管。 那个ATF54143晶体管有一些封装,你需要布局。 当然,线性和非线性模型的封装/封装是相同的,因为它实际上是相同的晶体管。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The trouble starts when you try to buy the linear and nonlinear ATF54143 ;-) A model is a simplified view of reality. The linear and nonlinear transistor model are two different electrical models for the same thing: your ATF54143 transistor. That ATF54143 transistor has some package, which you need for layout. Of course, that package/footprint is the same for linear and nonlinear model, because it is really the same transistor. |
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参考edaboard上的相同主题:http://www.edaboard.com/thread292488.html#post1256033输入和输出线为50欧姆。 如果您想要较短的线条,请使用较短的线条。 蜿蜒他们真的没有意义。 只是缩短它们。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 With reference to your identical thread on edaboard: http://www.edaboard.com/thread292488.html#post1256033 The input and output lines are 50 ohm. If you want to have shorter lines, use shorter lines. It really makes no sense to meander them. Just make them shorter. |
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