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大家好,我是使用EMpro的新手,我一直在使用Momentum来进行EM模拟。
我试图从ADS布局导出到EMpro运行模拟,我得到一个脚本错误。 我无法加载整个脚本(请参阅附件)导入时出现问题。 因此,我不知道如何添加端口来模拟天线S参数。 我不熟悉这个工具,似乎很难添加一个模拟端口。 有人可以告诉我如何添加端口到这个测试天线,所以我看看它的S11参数。 我有兴趣知道它的共振频率和电感,如果允许我输入方程式。 另外,EMpro可以模拟由Air分隔的两个天线,并且参数化地仅从左到右,从上到下,向上和向下移动天线中的一个? 一个天线将固定另一个天线相对于另一个创建一个音量。 固定天线将以40V峰值电压或大约200mA激励,另一个将拾取场并将其转换为我可以测量的电流? 这在EMPro中是否可行? 在其他工具中,我只是想找出EMpro的功能。 谢谢大家的帮助EMPro_Import.py30.6 KB 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello everyone, I am very new to using EMpro, and I have been using Momentum to do EM sims. I am trying to run a simulation from ADS Layout export that to EMpro, and I got an scripting error. I could not load the entire script (see attached) there was an issue with the import. As a result, I don't know how to add ports to simulate the antenna S-parameters. I am not familiar with this tool, and it seems hard to just add a simulation port. Can someone please tell me how to add ports to this test antenna so I look at the S11 parameters for it. I am interested to know its resonant frequency, and inductance if allows me to enter equations. Additionally, can EMpro simulate two antennas separated by Air and parametrically move only one of the antenna left to right and top to bottom and up and down? One antenna would be fixed the other moves relative to the other creating a volume. The fixed antenna will be excited with 40V peak voltage or perhaps about 200mA, and the other would pick the field and converts it to a current I can measure? Is this possible in EMPro? It is possible in other tools, I am just trying to find out the capabilities of EMpro. Thank you all for your Help 附件
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您好答案可能因您用于导出的路线而有所不同。
看起来你正在使用旧版本的ADS,比如2009年。这是对的吗? 无论如何,我对你所附的设计做了一些改变。 1.切掉基板以减少它仅用于环形天线区域。 2.在两根导线之间添加了一个端口(使用了薄片端口 - 减少了端口寄生效应)。 3.添加了远区传感器4.将求解器更改为直接求解器。 如果您运行附加的项目,您应该能够看到S11。 有一点,我建议将最高频率更改为低于10GHz,以使模拟更快。 如果您还有其他问题,请联系Agilent EEsof支持。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello The answers might be different based what route you used for the export. It seems like you are using an older version of ADS, like 2009. Is this right? Anyway, there were some changes I made to the design you attached. 1. The substrate was cut away to reduce it only for the loop antenna area. 2. Added a port between two wires (used a sheet port - reduced port parasitics). 3. Added a far zone sensors 4. Changed the solver to direct solver. If you run the project attached, you should be able to see the S11. One thing, I do recommend is to change the highest freq to lower than 10GHz to make the simulation faster. If you have further questions, please contact Agilent EEsof support. 附件
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iwqudwnd 发表于 2019-7-10 12:01 非常感谢您的帮助。 我正在使用ADS2011.05,因为我还没有许可证升级。 我们最终会更新它。 你能告诉我出口过程出了什么问题吗? 我只是想知道你做了什么,以便在我升级之前纠正未来出口的问题。 再一次,谢谢你的帮助。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Thank you very much for your help. I am using ADS2011.05 since I don't have the license anymore to upgrade. We will renew it eventually. Can you tell me what went wrong with export process? I just want to know what you did in order for me to correct the issues in future exports until I upgrade. Once again, thank you for your help. |
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iwqudwnd 发表于 2019-7-10 12:01 您好,我正在尝试运行自己的模拟,我在创建端口时遇到了很多困难。 我得到!!!!!警告!!!! 端口1的阻抗线的起点未连接到导电物体。 那是什么意思? 我已经放置了一个表单端口,我一直收到此错误。 导体材料的属性已经定义,然而,它拒绝模拟,因为我不断收到此错误,我不知道如何解决这个问题。 在Empro中添加端口的一般方法是什么? 很难知道如何成功添加表单端口。 是否有预先检查以查看是否所有多边形都已连接并标记错误? 你能帮我弄清楚为什么抱怨吗? 如果你能指出我做错了什么,那么我可以学习? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello, I am trying to run my own simulation, and I am having so many difficulties creating a port. I get !!!!!WARINING!!!! The start point of the impedance line of Port 1 is not connected to a conducting object. What does that mean? I have placed a sheet port I keep getting this error. The properties of the conductor material have been defined, however, it refuses to simulate because I keep getting this error and I don't know how to solve the issue. What are the general ways to add port in Empro? It is hard to know how to add a sheet port successfully. Is there a pre-check to see if all polygons are connected and flag an error? Could you help me figure out why this is complaining? If you could point out what I did wrong so I can learn? 附件
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这就是你将微带网格划分优先级设置为低数字,如1或2.当两个对象之间存在重叠时,较高的网格划分优先级对象采用较高的优先级。 在您的设计中,您的铜甚至低于空气。 所以请把优先级提高到更高的数字。 导体的默认值为“75”。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 That's simply you set the microstrips meshing priority to low number like 1 or 2. When there is an overlap between two objects, a higher meshing priority object take the higher precedence. In your design, you copper is even lower than the air. So please raise the priority to higher number. The default for conductors is "75". |
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iwqudwnd 发表于 2019-7-10 12:41 我还发现,通过更改模拟设置,您可以通过多种方式改进模拟。 在“停止标准”中,1。将“需要增量差错误的连续传递”更改为1比2.使用2,需要更长时间。 2.将“最小自适应通过次数”更改为1或2.由于使用自适应网格划分,请将此数字设置得更低。 3.向上和向下删除空气块,然后正确设置FEM填充。 它可以减少网格的冗余。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I also found that there are several things you can improve your simulation by changing your simulation setup. In the "Stop Criterium", 1. Change "Consecutive passes of delta error requried" to 1 than 2. With 2, it will take longer. 2. Change "Minimum number of adaptive passes" to 1 or 2. Since you are using adaptive meshing, set this number lower. 3. Delete air blocks up and bottom, and then set the FEM padding properly. It may reduce the redundancy of meshes. |
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iwqudwnd 发表于 2019-7-10 12:57 我已经做了你建议的改变,即使有了这些改变,我也可以开始进行FEM仿真。 设置使用FEM引擎设置环境EMPROHOME到D: Agilent EMPro2011_07 bin Win64 设置PYTHONHOME到D: Agilent EMPro2011_07 bin Win64 tools win32 python设置HPEESOF_DIR到D: Agilent EMPro2011_07 bin Win64 FEM引擎:240.400 2011-07-27机器:WKSPC日期:太阳3月31日16:04:39 2013设计:D: ADS2011_05_Default EMV_wrk PICC_ANTENNA_EMPRO.ep Simulations 000001 emds_dsn design INITIAL MESH - ---------- nbPoints:48261 nbTetrahedra:175664 REFINING -------- | MESHING | 解决级别频率(GHz)| nbTetr经过时间CPU时间| nbUnknowns mem(GB)经过时间CPU时间Delta(S)求解器nbIter normRes -------------------- | ------------- ------------------------ | ------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- --------------------- minidump:emds_mesher-3a5967d-1d7d-4af6-8dec-000687a988f.dmp此外emds_mesher.exe已停止工作...程序崩溃。 我认为它与网格中的设置有关。 它转储,并拒绝模拟。 有什么想法吗? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I have made the changes you suggested, and even with those changes, I get this Starting the FEM simulation. Setting environment for using FEM engine setting EMPROHOME to D:AgilentEMPro2011_07binWin64 setting PYTHONHOME to D:AgilentEMPro2011_07binWin64toolswin32python setting HPEESOF_DIR to D:AgilentEMPro2011_07binWin64 FEM engine : 240.400 2011-07-27 Machine : WKSPC Date : Sun Mar 31 16:04:39 2013 Design : D:ADS2011_05_DefaultEMV_wrkPICC_ANTENNA_EMPRO.epSimulations 00001emds_dsndesign INITIAL MESH ------------ nbPoints : 48261 nbTetrahedra : 175664 REFINING -------- | MESHING | SOLVING level freq(GHz) | nbTetr Elapsed time CPU time | nbUnknowns mem(GB) Elapsed time CPU time Delta(S) solver nbIter normRes --------------------|-------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ minidump: emds_mesher-3a5967d-1d7d-4af6-8dec-000687a988f.dmp Also emds_mesher.exe has stopped working... program crashes. I think it has to do with setup in the meshes. It dumps, and refuses to simulate. Any thoughts? |
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小蜜蜂12346 发表于 2019-7-10 13:08 请参阅随附的项目,运行正常。 还要比较我的设置,如果您有任何问题,请告诉我。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Please see the attached project that runs fine. Also compare the setting what I have with your and let me know if you have any questions. 附件
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我尝试在2011_07运行它,因为你使用的是更高版本,我收到了警告。 它说:“你正在尝试加载一个保存在EMpro的新版本(260.HF1)中的项目,这可能会导致意外行为,你想继续吗?(是或否)”我说是的,并保存了它 希望在我的电脑2011年版本。 我试过跑,我做不到。 我确实注意到网格没有崩溃,但它从未计算过任何S11数据,它就冻结了。 您是否有可能将您发送给我的模拟降级到2011年? 我尝试比较设置,但我没有看到任何重大内容(除非将其保存到我的2011工具中删除了您的设置)。 我在您的文件中看到的设置:PORT:SHEET放置在轨迹上而不是顶点端口类型:电压源网格停止标准:Delta误差:0.01,1,15细化:最大频率初始网格:波长(maxFreq)/3.0目标 网格生长:25边网格:0.2顶点网格:0.2 * 0.3解算器:迭代顺序基础; 2这个设置在我项目时默认出现,我不知道是否有其他设置的区别,当我这样做时,我的Empro抱怨。 频率规划是自适应20分,你看到你添加了一个内部端口,我不知道它做了什么或为什么它在那里。 我以为你只需要一个端口来激励线圈。 这种模拟很难运行,但却非常简单。 我只需要运行这样来进行协同仿真,这样我就可以从Momemtum uW中调用它。 也许我的电脑不适合运行sims。 我有一个英特尔迅驰2,WIN Vista 64和4 GB或内存。 我需要多少公羊? 4GB够了吗? 也许我没有足够的内存,这就是为什么我可以运行这个模拟人生。 我甚至接受了你的模拟,我的计算机冻结了,然后被遗忘了。 EMpro的RAM要求是什么? 我认为我的笔记本电脑无法处理只有4GB和Windows Vista 64位操作系统的模拟。 我有其他方块我可以尝试安装我拥有的2011 EMpro版本,或者可能要求获得新版本的试用许可证。 我无法成功模拟EMpro上的任何内容。 很多问题。 我也可以尝试添加8GB或ram,看看这是否解决了这个问题。 你运行它的PC有多少ram? 它花了多少时间? 任何帮助将不胜感激。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I tried running it in 2011_07 and I got a warning since you are using a later version. It said : "You are attempting to load a project saved in a newer version (260.HF1) of EMpro which may result in unexpected behavior, do you wish to continue? (yes, or No)" I said Yes, and saved it in my PC hopefully in 2011 version. I tried running and I could not do it. I did notice the mesher didn't crash, but it never computed any S11 data, it stood there frozen. Is it possible for you to downgrade the simulation you sent me to 2011? I tried comparing the settings, but I don't see anything major (unless saving it to my 2011 tool removed your settings). The settings I see from your file: PORT: SHEET placed on the traces rather than the vertex Port type: Voltage source Mesh Stop Criteria: Delta error : 0.01,1,15 Refinement: maximum frequency initial mesh: wavelength(maxFreq)/3.0 Target mesh growth: 25 Edge mesh: 0.2 Vertex Mesh: 0.2*0.3 Solver: Iterative order basis; 2 These settings come on default when I the project, I don't know if there are other settings difference, when I do it, my Empro complains. Frequency plan is adaptive 20 points, and you see you added an internal port, which I am not sure what it does or why it is there. I thought you only need a port to excite the coil. This simulation has been so difficult to run, yet is so simple. I just need this to run to create so for of cosimulation so I can call it from Momemtum uW. Maybe my PC is not adequate to run sims on. I have an intel Centrino 2, WIN Vista 64 and 4 GB or ram. How much ram do I need? Is 4GB enough? Maybe I don't have enough ram and that is why I can run this Sims. I even took your simulation, and my computer froze and went to oblivion. What are the RAM requirement for EMpro? I think my laptop cannot handle simulations with only 4GB and Windows Vista 64 bit operating system. I have other box I can try installing the 2011 EMpro version I have, or perhaps request a trial license on the new versions available. I have not been able to simulate anything on EMpro successfully. A lot of issues. I can also try adding 8GB or ram and see if this solves the issue. How much ram did your PC have when you ran it? How long did it take? Any help will be appreciated. |
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小蜜蜂12346 发表于 2019-7-10 13:28 你能把它升级到2012.09吗? [http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-2147283/empro-201209?cc=US&lc=eng] 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Would you please upgrade it to 2012.09? [http://www.home.agilent.com/en/pd-2147283/empro-201209?cc=US&lc=eng] |
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iwqudwnd 发表于 2019-7-10 13:35 我希望我能......这样做要花很多钱。 我们很久没有签订服务协议了。 所以我无法获得更新。 看起来2012年做了我想要的。 我想继续2011年是没用的。它可能不会做我想要的。 我会用我的版本进行更多的努力,看看我是否至少可以模拟我的天线。 最终,2012.09做了我需要的东西,即将所有工具集成到像CST这样的工具中。 非常感谢你的帮助。 我意识到我一直在烦你,但我们现在没有奢侈升级。 工具成本对于今年的资本支出来说非常昂贵。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I wish I could... it cost quite a lot of money to do so. We have not had a service agreement in long time. So I can't get updates. It looks like 2012 does what I want. I guess it is useless to continue with 2011. It may not do what I want. I will struggle some more with the version I have and see if I get anywhere at least to simulate my Antenna. Ultimately, 2012.09 does what I need which is the integration of all the tools into one like CST does it. Thank you so Much for your help. I realize I have been bugging you, but we don't have the luxury at this time to upgrade. Tool costs are extremely expensive for this year's capital expenses. |
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