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我花了一些圣诞节来讨论我的8720D VNA - 它是由我个人拥有的,因此在我的家里,所以它不像它看起来那么不干净! 我感兴趣的是看一个未连接的公N连接器是否可以用作“开放式”校准设备,如果是,那么哪个参数最好。 好吧,我知道它可以完成,因为FieldFox系列上的QuickCal可以做到这一点,但当然我需要参数进入VNA。 如果他们是安捷伦的老手,我也不会感到惊讶。 首先使用适当的'N'校准套件(85032B)进行校准后,我注意到以下情况。 1)令我惊讶的是,开放式N似乎不是电容性的,因为我认为由于边缘电容。 相反,它似乎是归纳的。 是否能够通过值为2的电容器来表示电感。中心导体位于参考平面下方约1 mm。 鉴于真空中的光速为299792458 m / s,这表明输入的偏移应为-0.001 / 299792458 = -3.335 ps。 那有意义吗? 也许值得说明偏移几ps - 使其更负面,因此可以将电容作为正值输入。 我不确定这是否比使用负电容更好或更差。 对于它的价值,我最初尝试通过曲线拟合找到C0,C1,C2和C3的合理值并不太成功,但我怀疑它有更多的时间可能是可行的。 如果有人试过这个,或者知道参考文献,我会感兴趣的。 你可能觉得我很生气,但现在是圣诞节,所以我喝了一两杯啤酒! 有了这一切,一切顺利。 我要去爱尔兰咖啡吧! (这在英国很受欢迎 - 对美国不太确定。我猜你可以用杰克丹尼尔威士忌制作它。)如果我说实话,我用一种廉价的苏格兰威士忌制作“爱尔兰咖啡”。 我认为将更昂贵的爱尔兰威士忌放入咖啡中是不合理的。 戴夫 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 First of all, merry Christmas to everyone. I've spent some of Christmas day messing around with my 8720D VNA - it is personally owned by me, hence in my home, so it was not quite as unsociable as it might appear! I was interested in see if an unconnected male N connector could be used as an "open" calibration device, and if so what parameters would be best. Well, I know it can be done, as the QuickCal on the FieldFox range do this, but of course I needed the parameters to enter into the VNA. and I would not be surprised if they are proprietry to Agilent. I noticed the following, after first calibrating with a proper 'N' calibration kit (85032B). 1) Much to my surprise, the open-N does not appear to be capacitive, as I would have thought due to the fringing capacitance. Instead, it appears inductive. Would it make sence to represent an inductance by capacitor of a value < 0 ? I found it is possible to enter negative values for all value C0, C1, C2 and C3. . 2) The centre conductor sits below the reference plane by about 1 mm. Given the velocity of light in a vacuum is 299792458 m/s, that would suggest the offset to be entered should be -0.001/299792458 = -3.335 ps. Does that make sense? Perhaps it is worth lying about the offset by a few ps - making it even more negative so it is possible to enter the capacitance as a positive value. I'm not sure if that would be better or worst than having negative capacitors. For what it is worth, my initial attempts to find sensible values for C0, C1, C2 and C3 by curve fitting were not too successful, but I suspect with more time it might be workabe. If anyone has ever tried this, or knows of a reference, I'd be interested. You probably think I am mad, but it is Christmas day, so I have had a beer or two! With that, all the best. I'm going to have an Irish Coffee! (That's quite popular in the UK - not so sure about the USA. I guess you could make it with Jack Daniels whisky.) If I'm honest, I make an "Irish Coffee" using a cheapish Scotish whisky. I think putting the more expensive Irish whisky in a coffee is not justified. Dave |
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kasonandy 发表于 2019-4-29 00:26 这里是第一篇描述在开放式波导中终止的开放同轴线的论文之一的链接。 我甚至不假装完全理解数学。 http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893和下载引文:Risley,E.W。; ,“在圆形波导中终止的同轴线的不连续电容”,微波理论与技术,IEEE Transactions,vol.17,no.2,pp.86-92,Feb 1969 doi:10.1109 / TMTT.1969.1126893摘要:这 计算使用Rayleigh-Ritz变分技术评估在圆形波导中终止的同轴线的不连续电容。 制造具有实心中心导体的50欧姆3/4英寸同轴线端子,其中心和外导体尺寸分别为0.32568±0.00002和0.74995±0.00002英寸。 与2.177093×10-13法拉的计算值相比,该终端在1000Hz下的电容测量值为2.164×10-13法拉。 还将其他线尺寸的计算电容值与测量值进行比较,并且在每种情况下,计算值与测量值一致,在测量值的实验误差内。 关键词:{导纳;电容测量;同轴元件;导体;制造;频率;氦;磁场;尺寸测量;波导不连续;} URL:http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp =&amp; ; arnumber = 1126893&安培; ISNUMBER = 24942 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 here is a link to one of the first papers describing an open coaxial line terminated in an open waveguide. I don't even pretend to fully understand the math. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893 And the download citation: Risley, E.W.; , "Discontinuity Capacitance of a Coaxial Line Terminated in a Circular Waveguide," Microwave Theory and Techniques, IEEE Transactions on , vol.17, no.2, pp. 86- 92, Feb 1969 doi: 10.1109/TMTT.1969.1126893 Abstract: This calculation evaluates the discontinuity capacitance of a coaxial line terminated in a circular waveguide using the Rayleigh-Ritz variational technique. A 50-ohm 3/4-inch coaxial line termination with solid center conductor was fabricated with center and outer conductor dimensions of 0.32568± 0.00002 and 0.74995± 0.00002 inches, respectively. The measured value of capacitance of this termination at 1000 Hz was 2.164 x 10-13 farads as compared with the calculated value of 2.177093 x 10-13 farads. Calculated values of capacitance for other line sizes were also compared with measured values and in each case the calculated value agreed with the measured value to within the experimental error of the measured value. keywords: {Admittance;Capacitance measurement;Coaxial components;Conductors;Fabrication;Frequency;Helium;Magnetic fields;Size measurement;Waveguide discontinuities;} URL: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893&isnumber=24942 |
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脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-4-29 00:38 > {quote:title = Dr_joel写道:} {quote}>这里是第一篇描述在开放波导中终止的开放同轴线的论文之一的链接。 我甚至不假装完全理解数学。 >> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893谢谢乔尔。 >和下载引文:> Risley,E.W。; ,“在圆形波导中终止的同轴线的不连续电容”,微波理论与技术,IEEE Transactions,vol.17,no.2,pp.86-92,1969年2月> doi:10.1109 / TMTT.1969.1126893 I' 我很惊讶这篇论文超越了同行评审过程。 没有描述如何测量这么小的电容。 在1 kHz,这似乎不是一个简单的练习。 据说理论和测量之间的差异在测量的不确定性范围内,但没有说明不确定性是什么。 没有描述如何测量同轴线的尺寸以及它们如何保持在+/- 0.00002“。如果它发表在数学期刊上,我会不会感到惊讶,数学家只会假设可以测量这样的电容,没有 问题。似乎有很多数学(远远超出我的能力),但缺乏实验细节。也许期刊的编辑找不到能够理解数学的工程师,所以它是由数学家审查的。也许我是 过度批评,它只是暴露了我的无知。无论如何,谢谢你的参考。戴夫 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 > {quote:title=Dr_joel wrote:}{quote} > here is a link to one of the first papers describing an open coaxial line terminated in an open waveguide. I don't even pretend to fully understand the math. > > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893 Thank you Joel. > And the download citation: > Risley, E.W.; , "Discontinuity Capacitance of a Coaxial Line Terminated in a Circular Waveguide," Microwave Theory and Techniques, IEEE Transactions on , vol.17, no.2, pp. 86- 92, Feb 1969 > doi: 10.1109/TMTT.1969.1126893 I'm quite surprised that paper got past the peer review process. There's no description of how such a small capacitance was measured. At 1 kHz that seems no trivial exercise. The difference between theory and measurement are said to be within the uncertainty of the measurements, but no statement of what the uncertainty is. There's no description of how the coaxial line dimensions was measured and how they kept to +/- 0.00002". I would have been less surprised if it was published in a maths journal, where mathematicians would just assume that one can measure such capacitances, without question. There seems to be plenty of maths (well beyond my abilities), but a lack of experimental details. Perhaps the journal's editor could not find an engineer able to understand the maths, so it was reviewed by a mathematician. Perhaps I'm being over-critical, and it just exposes my ignorance. Anyway, thank you for the reference. Dave |
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脑洞大赛9 发表于 2019-4-29 00:38 > {quote:title = Dr_joel写道:} {quote}>这里是第一篇描述在开放波导中终止的开放同轴线的论文之一的链接。 我甚至不假装完全理解数学。 >> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893>>下载引文:> Risley,E.W。; ,“在圆形波导中终止的同轴线的不连续电容”,微波理论与技术,IEEE Transactions,vol.17,no.2,pp.86-92,Feb 1969> doi:10.1109 / TMTT.1969.1126893> Abstract :该计算使用Rayleigh-Ritz变分技术评估在圆形波导中终止的同轴线的不连续电容。 制造具有实心中心导体的50欧姆3/4英寸同轴线端子,其中心和外导体尺寸分别为0.32568±0.00002和0.74995±0.00002英寸。 与2.177093×10-13法拉的计算值相比,该终端在1000Hz下的电容测量值为2.164×10-13法拉。 还将其他线尺寸的计算电容值与测量值进行比较,并且在每种情况下,计算值与测量值一致,在测量值的实验误差内。 >关键字:{导纳;电容测量;同轴元件;导体;制造;频率;氦;磁场;尺寸测量;波导不连续;}> URL:http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp =&amp; arnumber = 1126893&amp; isnumber = 24942以下是1934年贝尔系统技术期刊中的Shelkunoff文章提到的贝塞尔函数:[http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol13-1934/articles/bstj13-4 -532.pdf]这个提到Shelkunoff(但后来的文章)并且有很多参考文献,但链接需要登录到princeton:[http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/coax_rad.pdf ]以及更多关于生物医学/无损检测的开放式同轴探针:http://www.eeel.nist.gov/advanced_materials_publications/Baker-Jarvis%20IM%2094.pdf] [http://www.dtic] .mil / dtic / tr / fulltext / u2 / a218147.pdf] Spacecase 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 > {quote:title=Dr_joel wrote:}{quote} > here is a link to one of the first papers describing an open coaxial line terminated in an open waveguide. I don't even pretend to fully understand the math. > > http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893 > > And the download citation: > Risley, E.W.; , "Discontinuity Capacitance of a Coaxial Line Terminated in a Circular Waveguide," Microwave Theory and Techniques, IEEE Transactions on , vol.17, no.2, pp. 86- 92, Feb 1969 > doi: 10.1109/TMTT.1969.1126893 > Abstract: This calculation evaluates the discontinuity capacitance of a coaxial line terminated in a circular waveguide using the Rayleigh-Ritz variational technique. A 50-ohm 3/4-inch coaxial line termination with solid center conductor was fabricated with center and outer conductor dimensions of 0.32568± 0.00002 and 0.74995± 0.00002 inches, respectively. The measured value of capacitance of this termination at 1000 Hz was 2.164 x 10-13 farads as compared with the calculated value of 2.177093 x 10-13 farads. Calculated values of capacitance for other line sizes were also compared with measured values and in each case the calculated value agreed with the measured value to within the experimental error of the measured value. > keywords: {Admittance;Capacitance measurement;Coaxial components;Conductors;Fabrication;Frequency;Helium;Magnetic fields;Size measurement;Waveguide discontinuities;} > URL: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?tp=&arnumber=1126893&isnumber=24942 Here's the Shelkunoff article in Bell System Technical Journal from 1934 that mentions bessel functions: [http://www.alcatel-lucent.com/bstj/vol13-1934/articles/bstj13-4-532.pdf] This one mentions Shelkunoff (but a later article) and has lot's of references but the links require a login to princeton: [http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/coax_rad.pdf] And a couple more on open ended coaxial probes for Bio-medical/NDT: [http://www.eeel.nist.gov/advanced_materials_publications/Baker-Jarvis%20IM%2094.pdf] [http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a218147.pdf] Spacecase |
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kasonandy 发表于 2019-4-29 01:06 要迁移,sourceId:105932 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 to be migrated, sourceId: 105932 |
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