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令我失望的是,我发现英特尔为OEM制造的几款无线网卡(在本例中为联想)被英特尔无线Windows驱动程序(示例)所忽视。 这些卡是Lenovo提供FRU编号的部件。 它们在Linux系统上运行良好,由iwlwifi内核驱动程序支持。 问题出在Windows中,其中英特尔实际上已对驱动程序的.sys文件中的特定PCI DEVICE ID进行检查,并禁止它们工作,除非整个系统来自Lenovo。 我可以确认一些ID,这些ID将在此类系统上的设备管理器中显示Code 10错误。 08B208B4095B24F43166 这些设备实际上与当前驱动程序完美配合,明确阻止在非Lenovo系统上运行。 我想问为什么。 为什么不让它们工作,就像在Linux系统中一样? 老实说,我对这种做法感到失望。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello there. To my disappointment, I find that several wireless cards that have been manufactured by Intel for OEMs, and in this case, Lenovo, are disregarded by the Intel Wireless drivers for Windows (example). These cards are parts that are given FRU numbers by Lenovo. They work fine on Linux systems, supported by the iwlwifi kernel driver. The issue comes in Windows, where Intel actually has checks in place for specific PCI DEVICE IDs in the .sys files of the drivers and prohibits them from working unless the whole system is from Lenovo. I can confirm some IDs that will show a Code 10 error in Device Manager on such systems.
These devices, which actually work perfectly fine with the current drivers are explicitly blocked from operation on non-Lenovo systems. I would like to ask WHY that is. Why not let them work, like in Linux systems? I am honestly disappointed with this practice. |
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您好jpegxguy,感谢您在我们的英特尔®社区发布您的查询。我们目前正在调查和收集有关您的查询的信息。我们会尽快与您联系。我希望这有帮助.Regards,Diego S.
以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello jpegxguy, Thank you for posting your inquiry in our Intel ® communities. We are currently investigating and gathering information regarding your inquiry. We will reach you back soon. I hope this helps. Regards, Diego S. |
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jerry1978 发表于 2018-11-7 07:06 您好jpegxguy,感谢您的耐心等待。请考虑安装或使用英特尔®无线适配器符合特定国家/地区的法律法规。 在某些国家/地区,产品只能安装在具有系统级监管批准的系统中。 原始设备制造商(OEM)或原始设计制造商(OEM / ODM)或设备的安装人员必须获得批准。在系统中安装设备之前,必须联系制造商以确定产品是否被批准用于 特定的系统和国家。 您需要遵循制造商的批准后要求。如果制造商没有必要的批准,安装设备的一方负责批准。 在未经授权的系统中安装适配器可能是非法的 最终用户无权安装无线适配器。 只有制造商或其授权代表才能安装适配器。如果您已经执行了集成,请务必了解它可能由于硬件或软件兼容性问题或依赖性而无法工作.Intel®是笔记本电脑组件的供应商, 不制造或销售完整的笔记本电脑系统 每个OEM / ODM可能已经更改了功能,整合了自定义项,或对其提供的软件或硬件包装进行了其他更改。目前英特尔支持的唯一零售无线适配器是英特尔®双频无线-AC 7260 +蓝牙® 桌面和英特尔®双频无线-AC 8265桌面套件。我希望这有帮助.Regards,Diego S. 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello jpegxguy, Thank you for patience. Please consider that the installation or use of Intel® Wireless Adapters is subject to country-specific legal regulations. In certain countries, the products can only be installed in systems that have a system-level regulatory approval. The Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) or Original Design Manufacturer (OEM/ODM) or the installer of the device must obtain approval. Before you install the device in a system, you must contact the manufacturer to determine if the product is approved for use in a specific system and country. You are required to follow the manufacturer's post-approval requirements. If the manufacturer does not have the necessary approvals, the party installing the device is responsible for approvals. Installing adapters in an unauthorized system may be illegal. The end user is not authorized to install the wireless adapters. Only the manufacturer or its authorized representative can install the adapters. If you have already performed the integration, it is important to understand that it may not work due to hardware or software compatibility issues or dependencies. Intel ® is a supplier of laptop components and does not manufacture or sell complete laptop systems. Each OEM/ODM may have altered the features, incorporated customizations, or made other changes to the software or hardware packaging they provide. The only retail wireless adapters currently supported by Intel® are the Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 + Bluetooth® for Desktop, and the Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265 Desktop Kit. I hope this helps. Regards, Diego S. |
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cd340823 发表于 2018-11-7 07:16 设备ID为08B1的7260 AC是通用(非Lenovo)卡,在每个系统上都能正常工作。 设备ID为08B2的芯片是同一芯片,因此英特尔将黑名单列入他们自己的驱动程序(不是原始设备制造商!)。实际的官方英特尔驱动程序故意在该ID上产生代码10。 由于其芯片相同,因此无法进行调节。 好的,联想只是想让人们在自己的平台上购买特定的硬件。 我无法落后的是英特尔为什么要在非联想系统上将这些ID列入他们自己的通用(非OEM修改)驱动程序的黑名单。 如果他们想要让OEM锁定设备,为什么英特尔会在官方驱动程序上执行此操作? (二进制.sys文件)如果你删除了这个限制,我将不胜感激。 您是否与Lenovo签订合同,要求您锁定硬件? 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 The 7260 AC with device ID 08B1 which is the generic (non-Lenovo) card and it works fine on every system. The one with device id 08B2 is the same chip and yest Intel blacklists it in their own driver (not the OEMs!) The actual official Intel drivers deliberately cause a code 10 on that id. Since its the same chip, it can't be regulation. Ok, so Lenovo just wants to get people to buy specific hardware on their own platform. What I cannot get behind is why Intel blacklists those IDs on non-Lenovo systems on their own generic (non-OEM modified) driver. Let the OEMs lock down equipment if they want, why is Intel doing it on the official drivers? (The binary .sys files) I would appreciate if you removed that restriction. Do you have a contract with Lenovo that requires you to lock down hardware? |
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jerry1978 发表于 2018-11-7 07:27 您好jpegxguy,感谢您的回复。让我们深入了解一下; 我们会尽快联系你。我希望这有帮助.Regards,Diego S. 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello jpegxguy, Thank you for response. Let us take a deeper look into this; we will reach you back as soon as possible. I hope this helps. Regards, Diego S. |
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您好jpegxguy,感谢您的耐心等待。我很遗憾地通知您,在这种情况下,我们的驱动程序中没有锁定硬件的黑名单。我们强烈建议您之前共享,联系您的计算机制造商 因为他们定制驱动程序和软件来启用或改变功能,或者在他们的计算机上提供改进的操作。我希望这有帮助.Regards,Diego S. 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello jpegxguy, Thank you for patience. I regret to inform you that in this case, there is no such thing as a blacklist from Intel® where we lock hardware in our drivers. We strongly recommend you as shared before, to contact your computer manufacturer since they customize drivers and software to enable or alter features, or provide improved operation on their computers. I hope this helps. Regards, Diego S. |
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cd340823 发表于 2018-11-7 07:53 我可以向你证明:这篇有趣的帖子来自几年前,我也在网上找到了这张图片 这显然来自官方英特尔驱动程序的NETwbw02.sys文件(只是文件,没有做任何事),我怀疑其他文件也是如此。 正在运行的东西是pci设备ID,如果'je 0x1400d43ab'命令没有输出,驱动程序可以正常工作。 所以开发团队知道这一点。 这些ID都来自联想。 0x1400d43ab中的函数将它们列入黑名单,仅将它们限制为Lenovo系统。 如果开发团队改变了这一点,那就太棒了 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I can prove it to you: This interesting post is from some years ago, and I also found this picture online This is apparently from the NETwbw02.sys file of the official Intel drivers (just the file, nothing was done to it) and I suspect the same is true of other files. The stuff being mov'ed are pci device ids and if the 'je 0x1400d43ab' command is noped out the driver works flawlessly. So the development team knows about this. These ids are all from Lenovo. The function in 0x1400d43ab is blacklisting them, restricting them only to Lenovo systems. If the development team changed that, it would be awesome |
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jerry1978 发表于 2018-11-7 08:07 您好jpegxguy,感谢您的回复。我们会将您的反馈发送给相应的团队,我们非常感谢。我希望这会有所帮助.Regards,Diego S. 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hello jpegxguy, Thank you for your response. We’ll send your feedback to the appropriate team, we really appreciate it. I hope this helps. Regards, Diego S. |
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Dipper123 发表于 2018-11-7 08:12 我没有希望,但至少你非常乐于助人,谢谢 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I don't have my hopes up but at least you were very helpful, thanks |
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Dipper123 发表于 2018-11-7 08:12 正如预期的那样,英特尔甚至没有考虑过停止卡片瘫痪的想法。 他们在请求中看到了7260并且从未进一步看过。 黑名单PCI ID列表甚至包括更新的8260 ......羞耻。 我知道将来从哪里购买我的零件。 感谢Diego S.至少回答。 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 As expected Intel did not even consider the idea of stopping the crippling of their cards. They saw the 7260 in the request and never looked further. The list of the blacklisted PCI IDs even includes the newer 8260... Shame. I know where I'm buying my parts from in the future. Thanks Diego S. for answering at least. |
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cd340823 发表于 2018-11-7 08:42 在我看来,重要的一点是,这些不是英特尔的产品。 如果联想让英特尔为联想制造这些卡,那么它们就是联想的产品。 文件 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 One point, in my opinion, that is important, is that these are NOT Intel products. If Lenovo had Intel make these cards for Lenovo, then they are Lenovo's products. Doc |
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我完全可以看到这种观点。 (虽然我不同意,但我个人认为,自英特尔制造以来,他们应该承担责任) 无论如何,将那些在官方(通用)英特尔驱动程序中正常工作的卡列入黑名单的政策,我觉得骇人听闻。 我不会很快买到联想(他们也有bios黑名单和其他粗略的策略 - 还记得整个Superfish的事吗?) 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I can totally see that point of view. (Though I disagree, I personally think that since Intel made them, they should hold responsibility) Anyhow the policy of blacklisting those cards that otherwise work fine in the official (generic) Intel drivers, I find appalling. I won't be buying Lenovo anytime soon (They also have bios blacklists and other sketchy tactics - remember that whole Superfish thing?) |
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jerry1978 发表于 2018-11-7 09:07 关于联想,我不能同意你的意见。 只是我的观点。 此外,我不是英特尔员工或承包商。 文件 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 I cannot agree with you more regarding Lenovo. Just my opinion. Also, I am not an Intel employee or contractor. Doc |
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可能更糟; 可能是戴尔,白名单。 白名单允许他们确保通过他们购买所有东西...... 作为英特尔的前任(现已退休)员工,我很高兴看到他们实施这样的黑名单,但你不能责怪他们这样做; 联想(明显坚持)将这个黑名单列入“他们的”产品。 只是说, 内容S 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Could be worse; it could be Dell, who whitelists. Whitelists allow them to ensure that everything is bought through them... As a former (now retired) employee of Intel, I am not happy seeing them implement a blacklist like this, but you can't blame them for doing so; it was Lenovo that (obviously insisted) on this blacklist being put in place for "their" products. Just saying, ...S |
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这也是我的想法,是的 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 That's what I figure too, yeah |
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