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空白PIC12F1822的电流消耗以及60V的低功耗5V电源

我正在设计一个电池管理系统(BMS),它可能需要监视四个12V的SLA电池,总电压高达56 VDC,并且我需要向电路提供5个VDC,这将使用PIC和其他可以吸引多达5毫安的组件。我想把电池组的电流降到小于1毫安。所以我想使用降压开关稳压器。我已经模拟了使用PIC12F1822(或其他设备)驱动的P沟道MOSFET的设计,但是我需要制作一个5V的稳压器来提供它的功率在56伏包的高端。我用两个白色LED和249K电阻器构建了一个电路,它提供5.13伏直流电压和40V输入(140 UA),但是PIC就位,电压下降到大约2.35 VDC,这不足以驱动PMOS晶体管。PIC12F1822应该只画出30-60uA,内部时钟为32千赫。一个空白(擦除)设备默认为外部HS时钟,但我认为它将绘制没有时钟的最小电流。所以我想知道如果我把它编程为一个500千赫的MFiToSc,它在5 VDC上只画280个UA(大约与3V的L版本相同)。我计划使用25 kHz或更小的PWM,但我需要的占空比(根据模拟)是500毫秒,这将需要更高的时钟速率。在4 MHz的HFIFToC通常绘制700 UA。我不知道使用两个白色LED的并联调节器是否足够用于此目的。我想出了另一个选择,应该持有约4.3 VDC。这里是电路:[图像拒绝访问]:(i)可以在突发模式下运行Boost转换器,为BMS电路充电大电容,然后关闭Boost转换器,并在睡眠模式下运行BMS,并每秒唤醒一次,以节省功率。有没有其他设计方案?谢谢!

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    I am designing a battery management system (BMS) that may need to monitor four 12V SLA batteries with a total voltage as high as 56 VDC, and I need to provide 5 VDC to the circuitry, which will use a PIC and other components that may draw as much as 5 mA. I want to minimize the current draw from the battery pack to less than 1 mA. So I want to use a buck switching regulator. I have simulated a design that uses a P channel MOSFET driven by a PIC12F1822 (or other device), but I need to make a 5V regulator to supply its power on the high side of the 56 volt pack. I built a circuit using two white LEDs and a 249k resistor, which provides 5.13 VDC with 40V input (140 uA), but with the PIC in place the voltage drops to about 2.35 VDC, which is not enough to drive the PMOS transistor.

The PIC12F1822 is supposed to draw only 30-60 uA with a 32 kHz internal clock. A blank (erased) device defaults to an external HS clock, but I thought it would draw minimal current without a clock. So I wonder if it will draw less current if I program it for a MFINTOSC of 500 kHz where it should draw only 280 uA at 5 VDC (about the same as the L version at 3V). I plan to use PWM of 25 kHz or less, but the duty cycle I need (according to the simulation) is 500 nSec, which would require a higher clock rate. The HFINTOSC at 4 MHz draws typically 700 uA.

I don't know if a shunt regulator using two white LEDs is sufficient for this purpose. I came up with another option that should hold about 4.3 VDC. Here is the circuit:

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I might be able to run the boost converter in burst mode to charge a large capacitor for the BMS circuit, and then shut down the boost converter and run the BMS in sleep mode and wake up every second or so to save power. Any ideas for alternate designs? Thanks!

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夏涌革

2018-11-9 15:46:28
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陈晨

2018-11-9 16:01:39
为什么不使用一个低静态,电流高效率专用调节器?TI有工具可以为你做大部分工作。

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    Why not use a low quiescent, current high Efficiency dedicated regulator? TI has tools that will do most of the work for you.
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夏涌革

2018-11-9 16:09:50
我确实找到了一些可以做的工作:HTTPS/2/256/MAX5033-1045 28PDF 76VIN 7VUA,70UA静态10UA关机3.50HTTPS://www. Mous.com/DS/2/256/Max 1562-257927.PDF 60Vin 5VUT 65%效率在5毫安48 VIN $2.50HTTP://www. Ti.COM/LIT/DS/Simulk/LM5165-Q1.PDF 6VIN,5VUT,205 UA有源,5UA关断,75%的效率在5毫安3.25美元,能够获得模拟小于1毫安从60V轨道抽出5V 5mA输出通过使用15mH电感器和2 kHz PWM与12USEC占空比。只有50%的效率。我还必须提供一些读取输出电压来调节PWM的方法。也许最好的总效率是在突发中运行调节器来充电一个电容器,它可以在样品之间的睡眠模式下为电路供电。这个BMS将被用于12V,12 AH的SLA电池,所以1Ma CON。在1000小时或超过一个月内,抽签将消耗10%的电荷。这可能类似于自我放逐。谢谢。

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    I did find some that might do the job:
 
https://www.mouser.com/ds/2/256/MAX5033-104528.pdf 76Vin 5Vout 270uA quiescent 10uA shutdown $3.50
 
https://www.mouser.com/ds/2/256/MAX15062-257927.pdf 60Vin 5Vout 65% efficiency at 5 mA out 48Vin $2.50
 
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm5165-q1.pdf 65Vin, 5Vout, 205 uA active, 5uA shutdown, 75% efficiency at 5 mA out $3.25
 
I was able to get a simulation with less than 1 mA draw from the 60V rail for 5V 5mA output by using a 15mH inductor and 2 kHz PWM with 12uSec duty cycle. Only 50% efficiency. I'd also have to provide some means of reading the output voltage to adjust the PWM.
 
Perhaps best overall efficiency would be to run the regulator in bursts to charge a capacitor that can power the circuit in sleep mode between samples.
 
This BMS will be used on 12V, 12 A-h SLA batteries, so a 1mA constant draw would drain 10% of charge in 1000 hours, or over a month. That's probably similar to self-discharge.
 
Thanks.
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李龙

2018-11-9 16:24:09
那些调节器是线性的还是开关式的?我的研究将是使用汽车规格开关调节器从60V下降到5V。线性技术有一些,这是一个插头的情况下,他们给出的公式,并使用他们建议的电路板布局,你将有一个可靠的调节器与最少的组件。你应该能够获得比你引用的更高的效率。也应该有一些国家半导体从TI(具有LM零件号的)中获得,具有相似的能力和效率。

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    Are those regulators linear ones or switchmode ones?
 
My take on this would be to use an automotive specification switching regulator to drop from 60V to 5V. Linear Technology have some and it is a case of plug numbers onto the formula they give, and use their suggested board layout and you will have a reliable regulator with minimal components. You should be able to get much higher efficiency than you are quoting above.
 
There should also be some National Semiconductor available from TI (the ones with LM part numbers) with similar ability and efficiency. 
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