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使用E4446A频谱分析仪,我看到由大输入信号引起的虚假图像。
我没有故意使用确切的数字,但它们很接近。 输入为+14 dBm,内部为0 dB。 Fin是2.5 GHz Span是300MHz到1 GHz,我相信RWB是1MHz。 观测到的杂散结果显着高于0.5 ghz的噪声基底。 我知道Fin的混音器电平高于应有的水平但是(s / b -10dBm max)但我认为预选器可以防止从高电平输入移开时的杂散..在这种情况下非常多。 我后来用校准的sig gen注入了我自己的信号并获得了相同的结果。 我知道这是一个虚假的神器,因为增加10分贝的注意力使它完全消失......超过10分贝。 那么..我做错了吗? 我是否必须手动调整YTF或在每次扫描时自动调整? 编辑:timbo于2012年5月16日下午2:10更正..最初有0 dB衰减编辑:Timbo于2012年5月16日下午2:11 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Using an E4446A spectrum analyzer I was seeing spurious images caused by an large input signal. I'm not using exact numbers intentionally, but they are close. Input was +14 dBm with 0 dB atten internal. Fin was 2.5 GHz Span was 300MHz to 1 GHz and I believe the RWB was at 1MHz. The observed spurious result was significantly above the noise floor at aprox 0.5 Ghz. I know the mixer level at Fin was higher than it should be but (s/b -10dBm max) but I thought the preselector would prevent spurs when moved off the high level input.. in this case quite alot. I later injected my own signal with a calibrated sig gen and obtained the same result. I know it was a spurious artifact because adding 10 dB atten caused it to vanish completely..by much more than 10 dB. So.. am I doing something wrong? Should I have to manually adjust the YTF or does it auto adjust at each sweep? Edited by: Timbo on May 16, 2012 2:10 PM Correction.. intially had 0 dB attenuation Edited by: Timbo on May 16, 2012 2:11 PM |
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高频谱分析仪使用混频器对信号进行上下外差测量。
混频器是非线性设备。 因此,2.5 GHz的强信号也可以产生两倍频率(5 GHz)的谐波。 该谐波可以与LO混合并产生图像。 然而,解决方案是简单地增加更多的衰减,以免驱动混频器那么难。 这将增加本底噪声,并且为了降低噪声基底来补偿,您需要降低分辨率带宽。 PSA的杂散响应规范适用于-40 dBm的输入混频器电平,而不是+14 dBm。 +14 dBm混频器电平应在屏幕上产生IF过载消息。 所有频谱分析仪都会有图像,特别是当您如此努力地驱动输入混音器时。 PSA的优势在于它具有10%步长的RBW,可以对RBW进行微调,以选择合适的RBW来满足您的扫描速度,选择性和灵敏度需求。 我当然希望这有帮助 - 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi - Spectrum analyzers use mixers to heterodyne the signal up and down to make measurements. Mixers are non-linear devices. Therefore, a strong signal at 2.5 GHz can also produce a harmonic at twice the frequency (5 GHz). This harmonic can mix with the LO and cause an image. Nevertheless, the solution is to simply add in more attenuation, so as not to drive the mixer so hard. This will increase the noise floor, and in order to reduce the noise floor to compensate you will need to reduce your resolution bandwidth. The spurious responses specification for PSA is for an input mixer level of -40 dBm and not +14 dBm. A +14 dBm mixer level should cause an IF overload message on screen. All spectrum analyzers will have images, especially when you drive their input mixer so hard. The advantage the PSA has is that it has RBWs in 10% steps to allow for fine tuning of the RBW to choose the right RBW to meet your sweep speed and selectivity and sensitivity needs. I sure hope this helped - |
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这有助于我验证我至少应该是真实的。 但我还认为TYF预选器会在我离开其带通时显着衰减“强信号”,从而消除过载。 我正在尝试在无线电发射机上进行MIL-STD传导发射测试。 它的发射电平约为16 dBm(仅40 mW)。 我的测量要求我能够从发射器级别测量80 dB。 我不确定我的头部空间是否增加了衰减,所以我希望预选器能成为我的答案。编辑:Timbo于2012年5月16日下午3:25 ..哎呀 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 That helps me verify what I though to be true at least. But I also I thought that the TYF preselector would significantly attenuate the "strong signal" when I was way out of its band pass and therefore eliminate overload. I am trying to run a MIL-STD conducted emission test on radio transmitter. It's transmit level is about 16 dBm (only 40 mW). My measurement requires I be able to measure 80 dB down from the transmitter level. I'm not sure I have the head room left with the attenuation added so I was hoping the preselector would be my answer. Edited by: Timbo on May 16, 2012 3:25 PM.. oops |
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fen556 发表于 2019-3-18 20:30 要迁移,sourceId:101781 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 to be migrated, sourceId: 101781 |
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是否有关于内部预选器的规范或讨论? 我在找到很多信息时遇到了问题。 基本问题,例如预选器是否自动打开? 它是以每个频率样本为中心吗? 什么是它的BW? 什么是典型的带外衰减。编辑:Timbo于2012年5月18日上午7:33 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Is there a spec or discussion about the internal preselector? I'm having problems finding much information. Basic questions such as Is the preselector automatically on? Does it center on each freq sample? What is the BW of it? What is the typical out of band attenuation. Edited by: Timbo on May 18, 2012 7:33 AM |
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嗨 - 有一个很好的应用笔记描述了预选器。 请参考应用笔记1443的第9页和第10页:http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-7814EN.pdf当调谐到3.05 GHz以上的频率时,预选器会自动打开。 它的带宽在3 GHz时名义上为30 MHz,在26.5 GHz时增加到大约60 MHz。 除非您处于窄跨度(约10 MHz或更低),否则预选器将使用Yig Tuned振荡器进行扫描。 我们没有关于我们的预选器YTF的拒绝规范,但我们确实有多个和带外图像的规范。 该规范降低了80 dBc。 因此,YTF将具有超过80 dB的倍数的拒绝。 希望这可以帮助 - 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Hi - There is a good application note that describes the preselector. Please refer to pages 9 and 10 of Application Note 1443: http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5988-7814EN.pdf The preselector is automatically turned on when tuned to frequencies above 3.05 GHz. Its bandwidth is nominally 30 MHz at 3 GHz and increases to about 60 MHz at 26.5 GHz. The preselector sweeps with the Yig Tuned Oscillator unless you are in a narrow span (approx. 10 MHz or less). We don’t have a specification on the rejection for our preselector YTF, but we do have a specification for multiples and out of band images. That specification is 80 dBc down. So, the YTF would have a rejection for multiples of more than 80 dB. Hope this helps - |
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另一个相关文档是产品说明5980-3079EN“安捷伦PSA性能频谱分析仪系列优化失真测量的动态范围”第32页,它指出:“当选择低频段路径时,还应注意前端过载的可能性。
“ 以上来自于谷歌翻译 以下为原文 Another relevant document is Product Note 5980-3079EN "Agilent PSA Performance Spectrum Analyzer Series Optimizing Dynamic Range for Distortion Measurements" On page 32 it states: "One should also be aware of the potential of overloading the front end when the lowband path is selected." |
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